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Random_Matt said:
Having decided to look into the cards the more I have decided they are a little shit. The power draw is the interesting one, if the XT is drawing 225W at 40 CU, what is it going to be at lets say 50 or 60? A higher spec card could hit over 300W, and at a lower power draw would probably match it with a 1660 TI.

Another thing is these boost clocks or was it opportunistic clocks, are these numbers shown against a 2070 accurate for out the box retail cards? Let us not forget the fudged numbers AMD produced for Fury which ended up being a load of bullshit.

Something tells me AMD is going to equip higher end cards with HBM2, which uses considerable less energy then GDDR6.



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Random_Matt said:
Having decided to look into the cards the more I have decided they are a little shit. The power draw is the interesting one, if the XT is drawing 225W at 40 CU, what is it going to be at lets say 50 or 60? A higher spec card could hit over 300W, and at a lower power draw would probably match it with a 1660 TI.

Another thing is these boost clocks or was it opportunistic clocks, are these numbers shown against a 2070 accurate for out the box retail cards? Let us not forget the fudged numbers AMD produced for Fury which ended up being a load of bullshit.

50-60 CU's? hehe, rumor has it the high end Navi will have 80CU with HBM memory and it will use tsmc 7nm+, will have ray tracing hardware too. HBM and 7nm+ should save some power and AMD can just lower the clock slightly if needed.

Also I don't think AMD will call the card Navi, look at their roadmap, it says Navi 2019 and next-gen 2020 with 7nm+. A different name is certained.



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Not being a power whore, but more one looking for the best I can get staying silent and low-power consumption, actually I'm more disappointed that I'll still have to wait probably more than one year to see a Zen 3 + Arcturus APU.



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Pemalite said:

There are cracks for Steam games available which makes your entire argument pretty much redundant.

It doesn't when game publishers are moving away from Steam anyways so PC gamers are still pretty much left in the same dilemma as those cloud gaming subscribers in the end ... 

It is becoming increasingly impossible to do preservation on PC because everything other than GoG or even Steam are gaining traction ... 

If you're a PC gamer, you're forced to use either Activision, EA, or Ubisoft's own authentication system even if you purchased those games from Steam so it's no biggie if you lose control of hardware as well because the compelling case to keep it doesn't exist anymore ... 



Trumpstyle said:
Random_Matt said:
Having decided to look into the cards the more I have decided they are a little shit. The power draw is the interesting one, if the XT is drawing 225W at 40 CU, what is it going to be at lets say 50 or 60? A higher spec card could hit over 300W, and at a lower power draw would probably match it with a 1660 TI.

Another thing is these boost clocks or was it opportunistic clocks, are these numbers shown against a 2070 accurate for out the box retail cards? Let us not forget the fudged numbers AMD produced for Fury which ended up being a load of bullshit.

50-60 CU's? hehe, rumor has it the high end Navi will have 80CU with HBM memory and it will use tsmc 7nm+, will have ray tracing hardware too. HBM and 7nm+ should save some power and AMD can just lower the clock slightly if needed.

Also I don't think AMD will call the card Navi, look at their roadmap, it says Navi 2019 and next-gen 2020 with 7nm+. A different name is certained.

Depends. If AMD emmploys RNDA2 on Navi 20, then possibly it will have the tracing of rays.
The rumors I have seen have pegged it at 60 CU's though... But early days yet... And grains of salt need to be taken with all rumors.

In saying that, I am keen as ducks nuts for AMD Arcturus.

fatslob-:O said:
Pemalite said:

There are cracks for Steam games available which makes your entire argument pretty much redundant.

It doesn't when game publishers are moving away from Steam anyways so PC gamers are still pretty much left in the same dilemma as those cloud gaming subscribers in the end ... 

It is becoming increasingly impossible to do preservation on PC because everything other than GoG or even Steam are gaining traction ... 

If you're a PC gamer, you're forced to use either Activision, EA, or Ubisoft's own authentication system even if you purchased those games from Steam so it's no biggie if you lose control of hardware as well because the compelling case to keep it doesn't exist anymore ... 

Steam is the defacto platform on the PC.

Cracks exist for EA/Origin/Blizzard/Ubisoft's games on their respective stores... So your argument is still pretty much redundant.



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Pemalite said:

Steam is the defacto platform on the PC.


Cracks exist for EA/Origin/Blizzard/Ubisoft's games on their respective stores... So your argument is still pretty much redundant.

As far as 'cracks' existing on other digital retailers what exactly are you implying ? Is it piracy or some other workarounds ? I've never heard of anyone been able to game the online authentication system ... 

If you're not comfortable sharing the details publicly then feel free to PM me and maybe we can discuss it in privacy since we're derailing the thread a little bit ... 



Pemalite said:
Trumpstyle said:

50-60 CU's? hehe, rumor has it the high end Navi will have 80CU with HBM memory and it will use tsmc 7nm+, will have ray tracing hardware too. HBM and 7nm+ should save some power and AMD can just lower the clock slightly if needed.

Also I don't think AMD will call the card Navi, look at their roadmap, it says Navi 2019 and next-gen 2020 with 7nm+. A different name is certained.

Depends. If AMD emmploys RNDA2 on Navi 20, then possibly it will have the tracing of rays.
The rumors I have seen have pegged it at 60 CU's though... But early days yet... And grains of salt need to be taken with all rumors.

In saying that, I am keen as ducks nuts for AMD Arcturus.

Do we even know if Navi can do 3 shader engines? I don't think GCN ever could as there is no gcn gpus with 3 shader engines. And I think that in Navi that each shader engine is limited to 20CU's. You can probably do less than 20CU's per shader engine so a small gpu/apu with 12/14/16 CU should be possible.

Then it also seems when you do cut-down versions of gpus you need to disable 2CU in each shader engine so in Navi 10 you must disable 4CU's at the time so 36/32/28 CU's is only possible in cut-down versions. This is my guess.

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Beaten Sigrun on God of war mode

Beaten DOOM ultra-nightmare with NO endless ammo-rune, 2x super shotgun and no decoys on ps4 pro.

1-0 against Grubby in Wc3 frozen throne ladder!!

Trumpstyle said:
Pemalite said:

Depends. If AMD emmploys RNDA2 on Navi 20, then possibly it will have the tracing of rays.
The rumors I have seen have pegged it at 60 CU's though... But early days yet... And grains of salt need to be taken with all rumors.

In saying that, I am keen as ducks nuts for AMD Arcturus.

Do we even know if Navi can do 3 shader engines? I don't think GCN ever could as there is no gcn gpus with 3 shader engines. And I think that in Navi that each shader engine is limited to 20CU's. You can probably do less than 20CU's per shader engine so a small gpu/apu with 12/14/16 CU should be possible.

Then it also seems when you do cut-down versions of gpus you need to disable 2CU in each shader engine so in Navi 10 you must disable 4CU's at the time so 36/32/28 CU's is only possible in cut-down versions. This is my guess.

I don't see why not.
Still early days yet to be playing hypothetical's with the smaller details though.




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I still dont have much hope. They look ok, but they are still more power hungry than Nvidia cards and arent much better from a performance/ Dollar view. I want AMD to be competitive, but they arent there yet. Ryzen 3 looks great, but unless they drop the price significantly on the RX 5000 series cards, they are gonna be hurting.



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I mostly play RTS and Moba style games now adays as well as ALOT of benchmarking. I do play other games however such as the witcher 3 and Crysis 3, and recently Ashes of the Singularity. I love gaming on the cutting edge and refuse to accept any compromises. Proud member of the Glorious PC Gaming Master Race. Long Live SHIO!!!!