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Pemalite said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

https://www.polygon.com/e3/2019/6/10/18660471/amd-rx-5700-xt-release-date-price-specs-e3

Anybody else hopeful that AMD can finally put out a good card that is more powerful than the 590? Vega cards all seem to be power hungry with bad drivers, and overheating issues. Or at least that's what I've been reading on Amazon and Newegg. 


I will quote my other post:

"So doing some digging. Looks like RDNA is a "Hybrid" design that bridges GCN to RDNA... Just like VLIW4, but more extreme.
Lots of changes under the hood, but it's still very easy for developers to leverage it if they have worked with GCN for a long time.

The doubling of the ROPS is a big boost... And one bottleneck of GCN gone. - Reducing wavefront size and increasing SIMD size so they match is another big Pro' as well and another GCN bottleneck gone.
Uplift in bandwidth and chip-wide delta colour compression and much improved caches resolves another GCN bottleneck.

It's going to result in a substantial uptick in performance per teraflop either way... I would not be surprised to see a 50% performance uplift over the RX 590."


Things like Primitive Shaders are now working as well, finally.

As for Vega... Vega was actually extremely efficient, at lower clocks and voltages, AMD though wasn't able to compete though and decided to throw out efficiency in order to garner as much performance as possible and drive the clockrates up.

Just remember though, Navi is Polaris's replacement, not Vega. Vega 7 will still be AMD's high-end part going forward.

And if we can... Try and stick to better sources than Polygon, like Anandtech.

And here we are again Pema... Talking about the Fury X 4 years later! My how the time flies! The world really has come full circle hasnt it?



I mostly play RTS and Moba style games now adays as well as ALOT of benchmarking. I do play other games however such as the witcher 3 and Crysis 3, and recently Ashes of the Singularity. I love gaming on the cutting edge and refuse to accept any compromises. Proud member of the Glorious PC Gaming Master Race. Long Live SHIO!!!! 

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1337 Gamer said:
I still dont have much hope. They look ok, but they are still more power hungry than Nvidia cards and arent much better from a performance/ Dollar view. I want AMD to be competitive, but they arent there yet. Ryzen 3 looks great, but unless they drop the price significantly on the RX 5000 series cards, they are gonna be hurting.

Reviews are out, and the cards are okay. I guess. A 2060 has 160 TDP, while a 5700 has 180 TDP. Not that huge of a difference. Temps and performance seem to be about the same give or take a few degrees/FPS. 5700 has 2GB more of RAM so there's that. But it lacks Ray Tracing which is kind of going to be a big deal eventually. 

What kills it for me right now though is the lack of Fans in any of the 5700 models. Blowers are dumb and noisy. Hopefully some company puts together a fan based model for around $300. The official launch editions of new GPUs are always more expensive than the ones that come later. So with any luck 5700 models with a fan will be $50 less than Nvidia's competition. 

P.S. The new Ryzen CPUs are just flat out better than Intel's CPUs. IMO 2700, or 2700X were great bang for your buck CPUs. New Ryzens are even better bang for your buck, and the 3900X beats Intel's best CPU in most everything. 

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Cerebralbore101 said:
1337 Gamer said:
I still dont have much hope. They look ok, but they are still more power hungry than Nvidia cards and arent much better from a performance/ Dollar view. I want AMD to be competitive, but they arent there yet. Ryzen 3 looks great, but unless they drop the price significantly on the RX 5000 series cards, they are gonna be hurting.

Reviews are out, and the cards are okay. I guess. A 2060 has 160 TDP, while a 5700 has 180 TDP. Not that huge of a difference. Temps and performance seem to be about the same give or take a few degrees/FPS. 5700 has 2GB more of RAM so there's that. But it lacks Ray Tracing which is kind of going to be a big deal eventually. 

What kills it for me right now though is the lack of Fans in any of the 5700 models. Blowers are dumb and noisy. Hopefully some company puts together a fan based model for around $300. The official launch editions of new GPUs are always more expensive than the ones that come later. So with any luck 5700 models with a fan will be $50 less than Nvidia's competition. 

P.S. The new Ryzen CPUs are just flat out better than Intel's CPUs. IMO 2700, or 2700X were great bang for your buck CPUs. New Ryzens are even better bang for your buck, and the 3900X beats Intel's best CPU in most everything. 

In fact, according to Hardware Unboxed, the GPU itself of the 5700 is consuming less energy than the 2060 (non-super) while outperforming the 2060 (non-super) across the board, while the 5700XT chip consumes as much as the 2060 super chip, but goes toe to toe with the 2070 super. But AMD's boards consume considerably more power, making their overall power consumption more even to their direct competitors, namingly the 2060 Super and 2070 Super.

I'll wait for some models with different coolers, as the chip has quite some reserves (Steve was able to get the chip to boost to about 2Ghz simply by setting the fan speed to 100%) and the coolers from Sapphire, Asus and Powercolor are generally more performant yet also much less noisy.



Cerebralbore101 said:
1337 Gamer said:
I still dont have much hope. They look ok, but they are still more power hungry than Nvidia cards and arent much better from a performance/ Dollar view. I want AMD to be competitive, but they arent there yet. Ryzen 3 looks great, but unless they drop the price significantly on the RX 5000 series cards, they are gonna be hurting.

Reviews are out, and the cards are okay. I guess. A 2060 has 160 TDP, while a 5700 has 180 TDP. Not that huge of a difference. Temps and performance seem to be about the same give or take a few degrees/FPS. 5700 has 2GB more of RAM so there's that. But it lacks Ray Tracing which is kind of going to be a big deal eventually. 

What kills it for me right now though is the lack of Fans in any of the 5700 models. Blowers are dumb and noisy. Hopefully some company puts together a fan based model for around $300. The official launch editions of new GPUs are always more expensive than the ones that come later. So with any luck 5700 models with a fan will be $50 less than Nvidia's competition. 

P.S. The new Ryzen CPUs are just flat out better than Intel's CPUs. IMO 2700, or 2700X were great bang for your buck CPUs. New Ryzens are even better bang for your buck, and the 3900X beats Intel's best CPU in most everything. 

The 9900K is still the best gaming CPU, probably best you read the benchmarks. Also the GPU TDP is actually the whole board and not just the chip.



Random_Matt said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Reviews are out, and the cards are okay. I guess. A 2060 has 160 TDP, while a 5700 has 180 TDP. Not that huge of a difference. Temps and performance seem to be about the same give or take a few degrees/FPS. 5700 has 2GB more of RAM so there's that. But it lacks Ray Tracing which is kind of going to be a big deal eventually. 

What kills it for me right now though is the lack of Fans in any of the 5700 models. Blowers are dumb and noisy. Hopefully some company puts together a fan based model for around $300. The official launch editions of new GPUs are always more expensive than the ones that come later. So with any luck 5700 models with a fan will be $50 less than Nvidia's competition. 

P.S. The new Ryzen CPUs are just flat out better than Intel's CPUs. IMO 2700, or 2700X were great bang for your buck CPUs. New Ryzens are even better bang for your buck, and the 3900X beats Intel's best CPU in most everything. 

The 9900K is still the best gaming CPU, probably best you read the benchmarks. Also the GPU TDP is actually the whole board and not just the chip.

Yes, the 9900K is still the best one, but the advantage is getting slim. Those few frames are measurable, but rarely felt anymore.

While on the CPU topic, I wonder why there's no tests of the 3800X? With it's higher TDP and clock speeds while still only running on one chiplet, it might actually be the best gaming chip from AMD right now.



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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Random_Matt said:

The 9900K is still the best gaming CPU, probably best you read the benchmarks. Also the GPU TDP is actually the whole board and not just the chip.

Yes, the 9900K is still the best one, but the advantage is getting slim. Those few frames are measurable, but rarely felt anymore.

While on the CPU topic, I wonder why there's no tests of the 3800X? With it's higher TDP and clock speeds while still only running on one chiplet, it might actually be the best gaming chip from AMD right now.

It's just a higher clocked 3700X, no one will buy it. I would only recommend the 3700X for new builders, and only a 3900X if they need more cores as it is a waste of money for gaming. But going forward 12 cores might be beneficial in games, who knows.



Random_Matt said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Yes, the 9900K is still the best one, but the advantage is getting slim. Those few frames are measurable, but rarely felt anymore.

While on the CPU topic, I wonder why there's no tests of the 3800X? With it's higher TDP and clock speeds while still only running on one chiplet, it might actually be the best gaming chip from AMD right now.

It's just a higher clocked 3700X, no one will buy it. I would only recommend the 3700X for new builders, and only a 3900X if they need more cores as it is a waste of money for gaming. But going forward 12 cores might be beneficial in games, who knows.

I do wait for reviews of the 3800X though, since just like with the 1800X compared to the 2700(X), it could reach higher clock speeds, and comes with a higher TDP to boot this time around. While for normal people the 3700X would certainly be better, the 3800X could potentially be much better for overclockers.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Random_Matt said:

It's just a higher clocked 3700X, no one will buy it. I would only recommend the 3700X for new builders, and only a 3900X if they need more cores as it is a waste of money for gaming. But going forward 12 cores might be beneficial in games, who knows.

I do wait for reviews of the 3800X though, since just like with the 1800X compared to the 2700(X), it could reach higher clock speeds, and comes with a higher TDP to boot this time around. While for normal people the 3700X would certainly be better, the 3800X could potentially be much better for overclockers.

Perhaps, and the reason for no review is that AMD did not supply any to reviewers. Bit of a calamity to be honest, maybe some users will do some bench marking in time. 

I'm currently deciding if I want to buy the x570 I, potent M-ITX.



Random_Matt said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

I do wait for reviews of the 3800X though, since just like with the 1800X compared to the 1700(X), it could reach higher clock speeds, and comes with a higher TDP to boot this time around. While for normal people the 3700X would certainly be better, the 3800X could potentially be much better for overclockers.

Perhaps, and the reason for no review is that AMD did not supply any to reviewers. Bit of a calamity to be honest, maybe some users will do some bench marking in time. 

I'm currently deciding if I want to buy the x570 I, potent M-ITX.

Unless you're using some PCiE 4.0 NVME SSD, I personally don't really see the point right now in buying an X570 board. I just hope B550 specs and release will get announced soon.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Random_Matt said:

Perhaps, and the reason for no review is that AMD did not supply any to reviewers. Bit of a calamity to be honest, maybe some users will do some bench marking in time. 

I'm currently deciding if I want to buy the x570 I, potent M-ITX.

Unless you're using some PCiE 4.0 NVME SSD, I personally don't really see the point right now in buying an X570 board. I just hope B550 specs and release will get announced soon.

Will do, why not. Not in any rush anyway, quite happy to wait until next year to be honest.