"You chose a group of nobodies for the sample"

The vast majority of democrats who support ubi also support abortion

abortion is fundamentally a process that treats the unborn baby as a parasite to be discarded... do you disagree with that?

"How about this hypocrisy? Repuplicans are anti welfare and anti abortion. Well you can't have it both ways..."

actually you can if you restrict the sexual freedoms of women

the amusing thing for me is that both groups are for restricting freedom, but the democrats pretend they are not and they also pretend to care about people as a fundamental value but are completely ok with the murder of unborn children

How are democrats restricting freedom?  Freedom of the unborn baby I assume.  There are so many damn humans on this earth I don't really think it matters if a few unwanted babies are terminated.  One can argue the reduction in crime rate that happened after Roe v Wade was mainly because you didn't have a bunch of neglected and unwanted babies turning to a life of crime.

I also have issue with one of the quotes in your op.  Someone somehow states "in fact, parasites and their hosts often enjoy mutually supportive relationships, "

That is news to me.  I could have sworn parasites harm the host and offer no benefit.  If there was benefit to both then it is labeled symbiotic relationship.  If it is so often that parasites and hosts mutually benefit then why the heck have I never heard of such a case.  You can't mix symbiotic relationship and parasite definitions.  They are two separate relationships.

You are a conscious being who is temporarily unconsious, your conscious exists but is not active unless you're brain dead. There's the difference between never being born at all vs being born and then killed, the comparison you offer makes no sense. 

All you're doing is discussing potential in regards to an undeveloped fetus, it has no conscious and it never had one. It has no will and it never had one. You might as well be discussing the sperm that you loose every time you ejaculate or use contraception. Each would have a potential different outcome if it was to inseminate an egg but that is never realised, just like an aborted feutus, the human you anticipate was never realised or developed. Its absolutely fine that we have an emotion & sentiment towards something which never was more than biology matter & potential but we should at least acknowledge that is what we're discussing.

Ultimately its a philosophical discussion that people have to mature enough to discuss. Why is it ok that you kill millions of bacteria, kill plants, kill animals. Life is not simply life. Every human draws distinction in where we give priority. We give priority to our own existence over that of other species and living matter, we also give priority to our own existence over underdeveloped fetus' which hasn't yet developed the processes, autonomy & emotions that we assign to other humans. I keep hearing people who are anti-abortion talk about consistency, so I expect every single one of them is against the loss of all and any form of life including the food they eat. 

This doesn't really make any sense, if we're discussing autonomy of the body that has nothing to do with finances and taxes. The conversation literally ends there.  

Not to mention that both men and woman are subject to taxes. If you feel like Universal income is against freedom then you should acknowledge that neitther the republicans or democrats ever plan to get rid of taxes so your left vs right argument is already at a dead end.

Separation of church and state is definitely an issue, so they shouldn't be quoting the Bible. However, you don't have to be Christian to agree that killing another human being is bad, and should be illegal. Some people think that abortion of particularly developed fetuses is murder. This doesn't need to be a religious issue necessarily. People can be pro-life and completely scientific at the same time. One thing isn't exclusive to the other. Pro-life doesn't necessarily mean you are religious at all..

"Freedom of the unborn baby I assume."

good point but that isn't what i was referring to

taking more resources from a person has to result in a reduction of their bodily autonomy as a result since obviously people have to work in order to gather resources

its the same thing with pregnant mothers - the child growing inside of them requires more resources from them than the normal baseline of the mother therefore the mother's bodily autonomy is reduced

as a result mothers are allowed to have abortions to reduce the drain on their resources

"One can argue the reduction in crime rate that happened after Roe v Wade was mainly because you didn't have a bunch of neglected and unwanted babies turning to a life of crime."

reducing the sexual freedoms of women or at least educating them that their actions do indeed have consequences could also work to prevent this also

"I could have sworn parasites harm the host and offer no benefit."

it could be argued that unborn babies serve no benefit to the mother along the period of the pregnancy

i don't personally consider babies to be parasites btw i think that's a reprehensible anti human way of characterising things that is alarmingly present among democrats

", if we're discussing autonomy of the body that has nothing to do with finances and taxes. "

you don't have to use your body to work?

"Not to mention that both men and woman are subject to taxes."

i didn't delineate this aspect by sex... but regardless men pay more taxes, after all as feminists argue often men control the world and own most of the capital

"If you feel like Universal income is against freedom then you should acknowledge that neitther the republicans or democrats ever plan to get rid of taxes"

my characterisation of this issue was about support of ubi and abortion simultaneously... does the republican party support either?

no? so why are you trying so hard to build a strawman?

"I don't particularly see many people who are pro-choice, using the argument that "fetuses are parasites, and women should be able to remove parasites from them.""

abortion fundamentally is a process that treats unborn babies as if they are parasites that must be eradicated when the mothers call for it... do you agree?

" for example: http://www.prochoiceactionnetwork-canada.org/articles/fetus-focus-fallacy.shtml is trying to make is by saying that having a child brings an emotional and physical toll on the mother. "

you understand that physical and emotional toll are both connected to depletion of resources right?

if i spend all day swinging a sledge hammer breaking up rocks and i go home and say "man i'm tired as shit" you don't think that has anything to do with my muscles working and depleting the energy of my body resulting in both my body and mind becoming exhausted?

"Trying to make that comparison with UBI by "siphoning resources" is ludicrous because it's not about the "resources".  It's more about strain.  "

which are part and parcel

"I'd rather pay taxes to go towards the less fortunate.  Even if only 1 out of a 100 genuinely needed it.  You can't be pro-life while looking the other way when people die of starvation."

i don't think any person can be considered less fortunate or vulnerable than an unborn baby

For many people that have to or choose to undergo abortions, it is a horrific, traumatic experience. The fact you trivialize that feeling to paint pro-choice people as cold and heartless really shows your hypocrisy and lack of empathy.