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AbbathTheGrim said:
RolStoppable said:

No, but that shouldn't relevant to the bolded part where I said that a fetus is not a conscious being.

I can expand on my previous post further by pointing out that children at the stage of having attained consciousness do not have the same rights as an adult. For example, children are not allowed to sign contracts without the co-signing of a parental figure.

The fetus is not a conscious being and neither are you or anyone else under the proper effect of anesthesia. So if a doctor kills a patient under anesthesia then the doctor committed no crime and should not face any consequences because the doctor didn't kill something conscious that "suffered".

If you say that being under anesthesia is a temporary state then so is the state of being a fetus.

Children don't have the same responsibilities and rights as adults, but that sure as hell doesn't mean anyone can go and kill them without society batting an eye.

The limits to the things that a children can do are precisely attempts to keep the child healthy and alive, it is not some arbitrary attempt to rid the child of his humanity.

You are a conscious being who is temporarily unconsious, your conscious exists but is not active unless you're brain dead. There's the difference between never being born at all vs being born and then killed, the comparison you offer makes no sense. 

All you're doing is discussing potential in regards to an undeveloped fetus, it has no conscious and it never had one. It has no will and it never had one. You might as well be discussing the sperm that you loose every time you ejaculate or use contraception. Each would have a potential different outcome if it was to inseminate an egg but that is never realised, just like an aborted feutus, the human you anticipate was never realised or developed. Its absolutely fine that we have an emotion & sentiment towards something which never was more than biology matter & potential but we should at least acknowledge that is what we're discussing.

Ultimately its a philosophical discussion that people have to mature enough to discuss. Why is it ok that you kill millions of bacteria, kill plants, kill animals. Life is not simply life. Every human draws distinction in where we give priority. We give priority to our own existence over that of other species and living matter, we also give priority to our own existence over underdeveloped fetus' which hasn't yet developed the processes, autonomy & emotions that we assign to other humans. I keep hearing people who are anti-abortion talk about consistency, so I expect every single one of them is against the loss of all and any form of life including the food they eat.