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Democratic Support of UBI and Abortion at the same time is Hypocrisy

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JWeinCom said:
Jicale said:
I wont have an opinion on abortion since I'm a male and females say I shouldn't but, I've seen a lot of article's and comments saying males shouldn't have a say because males can't have babies but the same groups say males can give birth when (trans-males) give birth and their real males. So males should have an opinion since males can give birth. We need some consistency.

I've never seen a female saying males shouldn't have opinions.  What I've heard them say is that those opinions shouldn't be used to govern their bodies.

But, if you really need consistency here you go.  If you have female reproductive organs, you have a say.  It's not that hard...

"If you have female reproductive organs, you have a say."

what is a word that i can use to identify people like that?



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tsogud said:
I'm going to tell you point blank NO this isn't a fair comparison at all, in fact you'd have better luck comparing apples to oranges or apples to steak for that matter. Before I tell you why you're wrong OP answer me this, are you pro-choice or anti-choice and why?

As for me, I'm pro-choice. It's the woman's body so she should be able to decide what to do with it and have final say. Men have control over their body, so should women. It's that simple. If you're against abortion, here's a simple tip, don't get one!

"Before I tell you why you're wrong OP answer me this, are you pro-choice or anti-choice and why?"

i actually think women should be free to murder their unborn children

"It's the woman's body so she should be able to decide what to do with it and have final say. "

fair enough, do you think rich people should pay more taxes in keeping with their responsibility to their communities?



o_O.Q said:
tsogud said:
I'm going to tell you point blank NO this isn't a fair comparison at all, in fact you'd have better luck comparing apples to oranges or apples to steak for that matter. Before I tell you why you're wrong OP answer me this, are you pro-choice or anti-choice and why?

As for me, I'm pro-choice. It's the woman's body so she should be able to decide what to do with it and have final say. Men have control over their body, so should women. It's that simple. If you're against abortion, here's a simple tip, don't get one!

"Before I tell you why you're wrong OP answer me this, are you pro-choice or anti-choice and why?"

i actually think women should be free to murder their unborn children

"It's the woman's body so she should be able to decide what to do with it and have final say. "

fair enough, do you think rich people should pay more taxes in keeping with their responsibility to their communities?

You didn't answer my question, why do you think that way?

And yes, the very wealthy should be taxed more to better our society as a whole. There's no reason in a civilized society that multi-billionaires, whose profit comes at the expense of the people, should be treated better and be able to get huge tax cuts and breaks while the very same people that they profited off of die because they can't afford healthcare. It's a give and take relationship and so far the wealthiest have just been taking, they need to give back to the society that propped them up in the first place.



 

In many countries around the world, single mums have heaps of kids and get fully paid by government. Why should tax payers support lifestyle choices? Women from low social classes have the most children and the hard workers of middle and high social classes foot the tax bill of the welfare that goes towards the lifestyle of single mum's having kids on welfare. Abortion helps reduce the number of single mum's and saves on welfare spending that comes from tax payers. Abortion gives women choice to do what ever they want to do with their bodies but it helps saves welfare money that goes towards supporting a single mother dependent on welfare.

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I support overturning abortion freedoms. I don't really care about it being a "women's right" since every women in my family is pro-life anyway. Any and all rights are decided by a society and not some moral system. Morally speaking abortion is murder, and I will never see it as different. It breaks my heart that even mentally handicapped children are aborted in places like Iceland. The cost of someone like that is high on society, but not nearly that high on a first world nation with seemingly infinite power and resources to feed the entire population and a welfare state. I would support UBI before abortion for sure. I am not that fiscally conservative anyway since while I am pro-capitalist, I oppose the free market. 



Pemalite said:
The mother owns the body in question, not the fetus. Thus the mother should have the first and last say of what occurs in her body... Otherwise we are giving the rights of the host body to another human being.

If the fetus can survive via it's own power, then let it, but it shouldn't be allowed to at the expense of another person.

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As for the Universal Basic Income... Why isn't that a thing in the USA? It works in most other developed nations with great success?

Agreed on the first part.

For the second part: no, UBI is not implemented in any country. There are though some experiments and more locally placed implementation, notably in north america (native americans through casino money and the Alaska Permanent Fund).

https://www.wired.com/story/free-money-the-surprising-effects-of-a-basic-income-supplied-by-government/

https://qz.com/1205591/a-universal-basic-income-experiment-in-alaska-shows-employment-didnt-drop/



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Pemalite said:
The mother owns the body in question, not the fetus. Thus the mother should have the first and last say of what occurs in her body... Otherwise we are giving the rights of the host body to another human being.

If the fetus can survive via it's own power, then let it, but it shouldn't be allowed to at the expense of another person.

************

As for the Universal Basic Income... Why isn't that a thing in the USA? It works in most other developed nations with great success?

And the expense of the babys life? it isnt important?. Why should the mother have more rights then the child?.



zero129 said:
Pemalite said:
The mother owns the body in question, not the fetus. Thus the mother should have the first and last say of what occurs in her body... Otherwise we are giving the rights of the host body to another human being.

If the fetus can survive via it's own power, then let it, but it shouldn't be allowed to at the expense of another person.

************

As for the Universal Basic Income... Why isn't that a thing in the USA? It works in most other developed nations with great success?

And the expense of the babys life? it isnt important?. Why should the mother have more rights then the child?.

Because the mother is a conscious being while the fetus is not.

Old people who suffer from dementia get their rights removed because they are no longer in a position where they can make reasonable decisions for themselves. In such cases, it's usually a family member of theirs that gets to make the important decisions and sign documents in their name.

Does this mean that humanity discriminates people based on their lack of consciousness? Perhaps, but it's for the best that decisions are made by people who grasp the concepts of cause and effect, and who are aware of the consequences that any decision may entail.



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tsogud said:
I'm going to tell you point blank NO this isn't a fair comparison at all, in fact you'd have better luck comparing apples to oranges or apples to steak for that matter. Before I tell you why you're wrong OP answer me this, are you pro-choice or anti-choice and why?

As for me, I'm pro-choice. It's the woman's body so she should be able to decide what to do with it and have final say. Men have control over their body, so should women. It's that simple. If you're against abortion, here's a simple tip, don't get one!

If a woman goes and does the deed gets pregnant, yes she should have to carry that child to term unless the is some risk to her life. (And no im not talking about rape cases or forced pregnancy).

The woman had her choice and she made it in this case. Why should it be ok to take away the rights of a child because the mother has now changed her mind?.