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curl-6 said:
linkink said:

You have crazy high unrealistic  expectations. That PC is like a 100x jump compared to ps3. I don't how you can look most ps4 games in not see a generational leap in graphics. Remember not being blown away is understandable as we get older it's get harder to be impressed, but looking at most Big ps4 sequels from developers, and sony the generational leap is clear as day.

I'm not talking about a leap in terms of quantifiable computing power, I'm talking about the subjective perceptual effect of diminishing returns.

To me the gap between gen 7 and 8 just isn't as impressive as past generation gaps.

That's fine, but you can clearly see a generational jump in graphics in most games from ps3 to ps4. In your last post you said metro on a PC that's what you considered  a true generational jump from ps3.



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linkink said:
curl-6 said:

I'm not talking about a leap in terms of quantifiable computing power, I'm talking about the subjective perceptual effect of diminishing returns.

To me the gap between gen 7 and 8 just isn't as impressive as past generation gaps.

That's fine, but you can clearly see a generational jump in graphics in most games from ps3 to ps4. In your last post you said metro on a PC that's what you considered  a true generational jump from ps3.

And I stand by that. To me Metro Exodus maxed out and raytraced is the only game I have seen to date that looks as far ahead of the 7th gen's best as prior generational leaps like PS2 to PS3. Again, not from a point of view of actual computing power but due to the effect of diminishing perceptual returns.



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curl-6 said:

When I look at something like Metro Exodus maxed out and raytraced on PC, now THAT looks like a proper generational leap over PS3/360 to the extent of prior leaps, in my eyes anyway.

Pretty much just about anything will look good when ray traced. I guess you'll soon get that proper generational leap over PS3/360 with next generation consoles on the horizon featuring hardware accelerated ray tracing and as an added bonus a back catalog of current generation titles too ... 

IMO, the sticking point of current generation was physically based rendering and volumetric lighting ... 



curl-6 said:
linkink said:

That's fine, but you can clearly see a generational jump in graphics in most games from ps3 to ps4. In your last post you said metro on a PC that's what you considered  a true generational jump from ps3.

And I stand by that. To me Metro Exodus maxed out and raytraced is the only game I have seen to date that looks as far ahead of the 7th gen's best as prior generational leaps like PS2 to PS3. Again, not from a point of view of actual computing power but due to the effect of diminishing perceptual returns.

PS2 to PS3 was of course a bigger jump, But you also have to remember, you were much younger,  as you get older people tend to be much harder to impress, or be blown away. The graphics advancements are clearly generational when comparing most ps3 game to ps4, of course i can respect your opinion if you don't think the advancements in graphics are generational leap. aside from maybe uncharted 3 every ps3 game looks like a turd compared to ps4, especially open world games.

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Late 90's already.

The jump to Unreal/Quake/Half Life was a massive one, but, while getting much more beautiful afterwards, at no time did the visuals ever achieved anything even close to that jump



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On PS3 and 360 to be honest. I remember the graphical leap from the N64 to the Gamecube was huge and I couldn't believe it. But the jump to Xbox360 just didn't feel that big anymore. My first Xbox360 game was Oblivion and while it looked great, I didn't feel the better graphics helped me to get more immersed. Of course, an open world game like this would have hardly been possible on PS2 oder Xbox.

Early PS4 games to me looked mostly like their PS3 counterparts with higher resolution. I'm not much of a hardcore gamer and I think most "casuals" wouldn't notice much of a difference besides resolution. Graphics just need to be good enough to me and look clear and well-made.



Gears 3 / Uncharted 3 / Max Payne 3. Around that time.

Its impressive how good open world games can look though.



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7th gen launched with a bunch of HD ports of 6th gen games. It dulled the impact because it eased us into games like Uncharted and Gears.

That's the gist, I guess.



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For me it was the PS3/360 generation, although it was slight and only just beginning. To be clear, I think those consoles had better graphics than the previous ones and games have continued to look better and better, but that was the generation where I no longer thought it was as much of a huge leap forwards and could still play games from the previous generation and still think they held up graphically.

In fact I still think the 6th gen just about passes, graphically speaking. Not every game, but I can easily play Metroid Prime, Conker Live and Reloaded, Jak 3, MGS 2, FFX, FFXII, GT4, DOA2 Ultimate, Soul Calibur 3, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance, Ninja Gaiden Black, Devil May Cry, Resident Evil 4, Twilight Princess, Kingdom Hearts II, Okami, Wind Waker, Shadow of the Colossus, Rogue Leader and many more, without thinking they suffer graphically, yet these are almost prehistoric compared to modern systems.

This isn't to say that 7th & 8th gen games don't impress me, they do, and I know they'll continue to get better. I'm currently playing God of War on a 4K screen with HDR and I think it's gorgeous but this is about my perception of diminishing returns. The fact that a game from 2018 blows away a game from 2005 is no surprise, but it just doesn't feel like enough of a jump to me. To put it another way, if I look at The Last of US on PS3 and compare it to GoW 2018 on PS4 Pro, obviously GoW looks much better, but I would say they look comparable and roughly of the same generation. I don't think I could say that quite as easily with gen 6 and gen 7, but I definitely wouldn't say it with gen 5 and gen 6.

So, to me, the returns are diminishing, but I'm not disappointed by it, I know that graphics are getting much better and stuff we had to fake before can be pulled off in better ways (e.g. lighting), I know that resolutions have kept increasing and so much more is going on in a game today. So I'm still excited for how games will get better and better looking.