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crissindahouse said:
DonFerrari said:
Isn't it adorable when companies that pretend to be PC or CEOs that are charitable on their own countries make it by shoving the burden on another country and pretend it doesn't occur? So common with USA companies.

? This is mostly about Chinese tech firms like Xiaomi, Alibaba and so on...

Not really about companies from USA even though they let Chinese companies build their stuff but that's another story.

Huawei, Xiaomi, Alibaba and all of them don't fuck up their employees because of the US

Have I said these companies fuck up their employees because of US? No. I said companies in US do it on China and other places, but inside US they pretend to be great companies.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Cobretti2 said:
Mar1217 said:

Your mom's doing are irrevelant to what's being stated in the article. Money is good but it doesn't get back that time you've lost to accomplish yourself, relax and be more healthy as a result of not taxing yourself for work. Case in point, they're not justly compensated for their work in worse conditions that you'd find in the west in some industry and they're in their rights to want better working conditions.

Heck, why do you think we're at this point here in the West ? People fought to improve their conditions in unregulated times where you'd be forced to work your bones off for dirt cheap and barely live in viable conditions.

I think, if we look at it in a cyclical manner, they're on the same point that we were at the middle-end of the XXth century.

That is the point I am making, if they get better compensated then 12 hour shifts are not a problem. There are people who are happy to work 12 hours a day if the compensation for it is right. If you want to work less hours even if you are fairly compensated then go work elsewhere that offers 8 hour days.

Well, that's the problem, if every company does this, where could you go instead?

Also, I did 12 hours a day for a while, but never also 6 days a week(either one or the other, I capped out at 60 hours a week. This is 72 hours a week, and that doesn't even contain any potential overtime) and certainly not over years and without holidays in between.

Besides, the Chinese government already is curbing dissent by paying good (compared to in the past, not necessarily to western countries) salaries, so in effect they are already doing what you ask. Which will get problematic if China will go into a recession, especially a prolonged one, as dissent will then go through the roof.

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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Cobretti2 said:

That is the point I am making, if they get better compensated then 12 hour shifts are not a problem. There are people who are happy to work 12 hours a day if the compensation for it is right. If you want to work less hours even if you are fairly compensated then go work elsewhere that offers 8 hour days.

Well, that's the problem, if every company does this, where could you go instead?

Also, I did 12 hours a day for a while, but never also 6 days a week(either one or the other, I capped out at 60 hours a week. This is 72 hours a week, and that doesn't even contain any potential overtime) and certainly not over years and without holidays in between.

Besides, the Chinese government already is curbing dissent by paying good (compared to in the past, not necessarily to western countries) salaries, so in effect they are already doing what you ask. Which will get problematic if China will go into a recession, especially a prolonged one, as dissent will then go through the roof.

Not all companies do that though. It is a personal choice if you want to work X hours for Y $$$. If they being exploited then fine, you fight for it, if they are not and it is reasonable, then the person can choose. Some people just love to work in their job. That might be the best part of their life, you do not know.

In reality it is a desktop, they may be happy here. Who are we to dictate what people enjoy doing?

This is no different then an 8hour work day then gaming for 3-4hours at home a day. Still sitting on your arse. 

No different to people who spend 3 hours traveling to and from work each day to work. They sitting on their arse.

As for holidays. Again people are wired differently. I do not like holidays that are short and meaningless. I like to bank them up and take 3 months off, make a good time of it. ATM i am not taking any because eventually when I have a kid, I want to take the time off at half pay to spend time with them in their early years. That will bring me more joy then anything else I can think of doing for short term gratification.

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MrWayne said:
HollyGamer said:

Agree with u so much. Indeed it's worst of the worst, it's a combination of the worst part of human evolution combined into and reborn as the ultimate worst policy ever. Socialism + Capitalism = Hell. 

Well it depends, China picked to worst parts of both capitalism and socialism but you could also pick the best parts of both systems, like we did it in western Europe.

Well of course it depend, the problem is their policy combine the worst part of capitalism and socialism. 



Cobretti2 said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Well, that's the problem, if every company does this, where could you go instead?

Also, I did 12 hours a day for a while, but never also 6 days a week(either one or the other, I capped out at 60 hours a week. This is 72 hours a week, and that doesn't even contain any potential overtime) and certainly not over years and without holidays in between.

Besides, the Chinese government already is curbing dissent by paying good (compared to in the past, not necessarily to western countries) salaries, so in effect they are already doing what you ask. Which will get problematic if China will go into a recession, especially a prolonged one, as dissent will then go through the roof.

Not all companies do that though. It is a personal choice if you want to work X hours for Y $$$. If they being exploited then fine, you fight for it, if they are not and it is reasonable, then the person can choose. Some people just love to work in their job. That might be the best part of their life, you do not know.

In reality it is a desktop, they may be happy here. Who are we to dictate what people enjoy doing?

This is no different then an 8hour work day then gaming for 3-4hours at home a day. Still sitting on your arse. 

No different to people who spend 3 hours traveling to and from work each day to work. They sitting on their arse.

As for holidays. Again people are wired differently. I do not like holidays that are short and meaningless. I like to bank them up and take 3 months off, make a good time of it. ATM i am not taking any because eventually when I have a kid, I want to take the time off at half pay to spend time with them in their early years. That will bring me more joy then anything else I can think of doing for short term gratification.

If there are so many of them complaining about it (200k+ developers apparently from the news), then yes, they are exploited and no, they can't simply choose another complany, as that seems to be very much the norm - and according to the developers, even against Chinese working laws.

@underlined: What's your next comparison? Working 12 hours in front of a computer is the same as sitting behind a desk for 8 hours and then 4 hours being in a restaurant, relaxing? They're just sitting there, after all.

Seriously, even if someone is sitting doesn't mean it's not stressful or energetic. 2 hours of speed chess make a body consume more calories than 3 hours of tennis do.

@italic: Sure, I did similarly. But imagine you wouldn't get any holidays at all and thus couldn't bank anything up? Because that's what happening there.



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DonFerrari said:
crissindahouse said:

? This is mostly about Chinese tech firms like Xiaomi, Alibaba and so on...

Not really about companies from USA even though they let Chinese companies build their stuff but that's another story.

Huawei, Xiaomi, Alibaba and all of them don't fuck up their employees because of the US

Have I said these companies fuck up their employees because of US? No. I said companies in US do it on China and other places, but inside US they pretend to be great companies.

But this is about Chinese companies (like Alibaba) who fuck up Chinese people. Not sure why the first thing you mentioned in this thread was US companies.



crissindahouse said:
DonFerrari said:

Have I said these companies fuck up their employees because of US? No. I said companies in US do it on China and other places, but inside US they pretend to be great companies.

But this is about Chinese companies (like Alibaba) who fuck up Chinese people. Not sure why the first thing you mentioned in this thread was US companies.

Because it is true and Microsoft, which is an USA company is on the title, and hire Foxcomm to do their devices which are manufactured in similar manner.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

hunter_alien said:
o_O.Q said:

"Also you assume way too much about people you don't know in real life I'm not rich and I don't life a privileged life."

you have a computer and you're a video games enthusiast, that puts you in the 1% of 1% with regards to standard of living on this planet

and those people who were killed by the us? they died for that purpose or haven't you realised that yet?

What a laughable, false-prophetic and downright brainwashed statement. But yeah, you are standing up for Alex Jones, so that pretty much sums it up...

"What a laughable, false-prophetic and downright brainwashed statement."

the us has such a high standard of living in part because of their attacks on other countries, that you would call me brainwashed for acknowledging that is amusing

"But yeah, you are standing up for Alex Jones"

alex jones has been right about some things



hunter_alien said:
masschamber said:

Yes I should left wingers who lies to my face instead, you really need to learn to go beyond insults, attacks and projection.

I read all the left wing books you wikl suggest and then i did further research, and they always end with dishonesty  Blum much like people noam(command economysoviet client state India demonstrates a failure of capitalism) chomsky  Howard (soviet aggression denier) zinn will ignore everything that contradicts their narrative, blum behaves as if the only cause of all world conflict is us intervention while ignoring everything else. The actually believed that us withdrawal of all forces would magically end all conflict.  He willfully ignored that balking countries want us protection, Islamic terrorism existed well before any us involvement in anything, ignores and downplays Chinese or soviet aggression  (which unfortunately  you seem to accept without question).   How much credit do you given the soviet union for victory in world war 2?  They might have sent many men to die but if the us and British hadn't broken the lift waffe, 

Do you realize the soviet union started ww2 just as much as the third reich

Or ho chi mins treatment of the hmong and montegrad, the nva lied constantly to it's population and actually convinced them the Americans were people, you also seem to forget those 1.5 million Vietnamese that fought in the rva and ignore the fact that something like 85% of civilian casualties were caused by the nva and vietcong 

Stuff like Boko Haram and the mess in ethiopia ? The soviet meddling led to those as well

The Islamic revolution in iran that lead to the Iran iraq war, again Marxist lead. 

Castro made cuba such a paradise a quarter of the population fled the country

China and e soviet union were incredible aggressive after ww2, the soviet union conquered half of europe , the soviet frankly without soviet and chinese aggression the us probably would have gone right back isolationism after ww2

Also give a read into Green revolution, antibiotics,  and all the other modernization that ce out of the west and specifically the us before you give moa credit for growing china's population and research the 4 pests campaign before insisting the deaths in the great leap forward are exaggerated.

I really doubt the first part, honestly, considering the huge amount of misinformation you are spreading, literally rewriting history, to fit your limited view about the world. I honestly believe you are a troll, nothing more, nothing less. A half-intellectual who never managed to evolve beyond his anal stage of development, and now he is a big-mouth with a wholly distorted view of history or global culture in general. 

And you have the nerve to call out portals like RT, while you are spreading misinformation, probably for free, like the exact "trolls" you are barking about.

You are exactly what you call Chris, regardless, of where he stands and how he stands behind that. It seems the education and social systems of the "free world" are nowhere near what they used to be... 

"And you have the nerve to call out portals like RT"

lol... let me guess... "the russians!" right?



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