"It was not socialism or communism: private property and private profit still existed."

Perhaps don't cite things that immediately refute your point.

"I don't see anyone here praising Marx."

i said many of the left, does this forum encapsulate all of the left?

"these people like Sanders don't actually adhere to the core tenets of socialism."

the core tenets of socialism cannot be done practically in our reality, but certain portions of it can, this results in calls for the control of resources through the state, this is how socialism is practiced in reality, are you seriously pretending not to understand that?

"Then you ignore my argument that people who actually adhere to those tenets are often anti gun control"

give me examples of people who abide by the core tenets of socialism, you listed mao and obviously he established a hierarchy right? so he's not valid

marx the hypocrite was funded by rich capitalists so he's not an example

the same goes for debs

do you have other examples that are actually valid?

"Like, what even is this?"

its you attempting and failing to be evasive, that's what it is

While this forum doesn't encapsulate all of the left, to suddenly go on a rant about how awful Marx was doesn't actually address anything that was being discussed within this conversation. It has no real function besides just being a tangent framed in a way which requests a rebuttal. I was expressing that no rebuttal is required because it is nothing but a diversion tactic.

That said, it seems like your argument has become "Socialism is not Socialism". If you are truly of the belief that Socialism isn't real, it seems entirely bizarre for you to make an argument that Nazis were socialist, where by your own admission, socialism cannot be practiced in reality.

"It was not State capitalism: the
government disclaimed any desire to own the means of production,
and in fact took steps to denationalize them. It was not socialism or
communism: private property and private profit still existed. The
Nazi system was, rather, a combination of some of the characteristics
of capitalism and a highly planned economy. Without in any way
destroying its class character"

that source literally makes the exact same point i was making earlier. The nazi economy was a combination of both socialist and capitalist principles. Government regulation with a defined class system, privatization with wealth redistribution. The Nazis were neither wholly socialist or capitalist they simply went with whatever gained them popular support which meant catering to both the capitalist business owners and the socialist working class.  

as for the regulation of resources in a Marxist economy under pure Marxism there would be no privately owned property with every member of the community having equal rights to whatever resources are available at the time with any restrictions being put in place by the collective government. its a Utopian system that assumes both unlimited resources and a complete lack of greed and corruption among any members of the community. That's why no form of socialism that's actually been put in place as a form of government is "true" socialism because its not something that can practically be implemented. 

"The Weimar Republic had very stringent Gun control laws, but the Nazis mellowed them up greatly for Germans - unless you where Jew or of color."

so you are confirming that there was gun control and claiming that i'm wrong?

"The state funded education was a remnant of the German Empire (it was instituted under Bismark in 1887) and the Weimar republic, not a Nazi philosophy."

and yet they kept it and expanded upon it... well that's interesting

"There was no free childcare, and if you meant the Hitlerjugend and the Bund Deutscher Mädels, those where purely political education and indoctrination programs. In fact, Nazi policy was for the Women to stay in the kitchen and raise the children while their Husbands go to work, so no childcare was even needed."

"Men and women had equal rights under Hitler. They found out what that meant when workloads were equal, making no distinction on the basis of sex. When the war came in 1939, the draft was compulsory for both sexes and women served on the front lines as well. Many became “emotional cripples because they just were not equipped to handle the horrors of combat.” Kitty Werthmann continues, “When the mothers had to go out into the work force, the government immediately established child care centers. You could take your children ages 4 weeks to school age and leave them there around-the-clock, 7 days a week, under the total care of the government. The state raised a whole generation of children. There were no motherly women to take care of the children, just people highly trained in child psychology. By this time, no one talked about equal rights. We knew we had been had.”

Under Hitler’s socialism everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing. Healthcare was socialized as well, free to everyone. “Doctors were salaried by the government. The problem was, since it was free, the people were going to the doctors for everything. When the good doctor arrived at his office at 8 a.m., 40 people were already waiting and, at the same time, the hospitals were full. If you needed elective surgery, you had to wait a year or two for your turn. There was no money for research as it was poured into socialized medicine. Research at the medical schools literally stopped, so the best doctors left Austria and emigrated to other countries.” Of course, to pay for this benefit for the less productive, “the tax rate had to be raised to 80% of our income.”"

http://libertyunderfire.org/tag/child-care-under-hitler/

"During the mid-1930s, the Nazis established a party-controlled education system. It began by forming its own teachers’ union, the Nationalsozialistischer Lehrerbund (Nazi Teachers’ League). Teachers of Jewish origin, liberal or socialist political beliefs were bullied and frog-marched out of the profession; non-Nazi teachers were pressured to join the Nationalsozialistischer Lehrerbund or face losing their jobs. As the Nazis infiltrated schools, they shaped the curriculum to convey their own values and political beliefs. At the forefront of the Nazi syllabus was racial education, ‘enlightening’ children about Aryan supremacy and the despicable traits of untermensch(sub-human people and races). History became the most important subject in this process. Pro-Nazi histories were filled with tales of Germanic heroes and warriors, political leaders and military conquests, reinforcing the myth of Aryan supremacy. In geography, German children learned about the unfair Treaty of Versailles, the inequitable re-drawing of European borders and the need for lebensraum (‘living space’) for the German people. Physical education and sport were also priorities. Other academic subjects, such as mathematics and the sciences, were neglected in contrast."

https://alphahistory.com/nazigermany/children-in-nazi-germany/

"Couples were given interest-free loans if the wife stopped working; additionally, if they started a family, their principal would be reduced by 25 percent for every child they created. Income tax deductions also increased, and parents could take off 15 percent off their income for each child. If a mother had more than six children, she did not have to pay any income tax at all (Koonz 187). When these provisions combined with the steadily recovering economy, Nazi Germany saw a modest increase in the number of births, which helped their plans of fortifying the nation."

"In addition to propaganda and legislative efforts, the Nazis also created a number of programs that helped mothers raise fit children for the regime. The first of which, Hilfswek ‘Mutter und Kind,’ was created in February 1934 by the NS-Volkswohlfahrt Nazi welfare organization. Mutter und Kind performed many functions: “welfare and recuperation for mothers, welfare for small children and the establishment of help and advice centers” (Pine 23). All mothers were given aid, as long as they and their children were racially pure and valuable. However, this help was not only given in the form of money and food; Nazis went as far as to set up homes for women who recently gave birth, where nurses would take care of them and their needs. "

https://webpage.pace.edu/nreagin/F2005WS267/ReginaGennari/history.html

"The healthcare is due to their pursuit for racial purity and Aryan perfection."

so what? it was still provided free from the government

"So, all 4 debunked."

nope

as i have already stated ideal socialism and communism cannot exist in our reality, trying to argue from a position as if they could be is very dishonest wouldn't you say?

or maybe you just don't understand the principles at play here

if you disagree tell me how you would regulate a society after the state is abolished

But again, it is very important to note that the evils of the Nazi system did not lie within its economic policy. Discussing its economic policy is an interesting aside, but the key to the discussion of the evils of the Nazi political system lies with acknowledgement that hypernationalism is at the core of Nazism. As such, the evils of Nazism arise from its leanings to the far right, not with its inconsistent and fairweather application of some left leaning economic policies (aside other right leaning economic policies).

When discussing whether Nazism is a right wing or left wing political system, we should acknowledge that it is not a pure political system as its goal was not in favor of an ideology but in favor of the acquisition of power, however we should not get bogged down by the tangential, non-ideological facets of Nazism and we should instead focus on its core which leans clearly to the right. That is why Neo-Nazis of today exist on the right, because the economic policies of Nazism were not at the heart of the Nazi ideology.

Some people in here really have to stop projecting their understanding of the political system in 21st century USA onto early 20th century Germany. Guys take a step back and stop using this incredible US centric lens to look at things, It doesn't serve you well. It's really not that difficult to find good and solid criticism of Socialism and Separation of powers within States is also a very interesting topic but a fruitful discussion can't emerge when some people use words in a completly different way.

This is really the most frustrating part, we already had this discussion about Nazis and Socialism a few times in the last year, I myself made a Thread about it, and there were the same 2-4 people with the same strange talking points, talking to them seems really pointless.

"If you are truly of the belief that Socialism isn't real, it seems entirely bizarre for you to make an argument that Nazis were socialist"

i didn't say that i said to practically instill a socialist system concessions have to be made to the core ideology

and again i'll ask if you disagree explain for me how you will regulate the resources of a community without some type of authority?

that is what your whole argument hinges on, so why can't you answer?

"to suddenly go on a rant about how awful Marx was "

but he was awful

So Alex Jones has a mental illness?

The compassionate thing to do would be to put him in a mental institution. A straitjacket seems appropriate.