KLXVER said:
DonFerrari said:
It would be more obvious that you don't want to see that I'm not complaining about he making movies with black leads, but that doesn't matter the situation if a director said he would only cast white people going forward media would complain a lot.
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True, but if he gave a valid reason, then I would have the same feelings as I do with this one. The media has an agenda to uphold.
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Hey as someone said in the thread, if he said "I want to tell stories relating to my childhold/young years as a black kid, and for that I think a black lead would make more sense" that would be totally understandable and not a shred of racism. When he say he won't hire white people for lead roles (which I don't have problem) and media double standard threat it that is the point.
LudicrousSpeed said:
DonFerrari said:
It would be more obvious that you don't want to see that I'm not complaining about he making movies with black leads, but that doesn't matter the situation if a director said he would only cast white people going forward media would complain a lot.
The most justifications created more it shows that it would be considered racism (and not even saying that there isn't plenty of directors in the past and present that wouldn't cast a black person out of prejudice, but if they were open about not wanting they would be heavily criticized).
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I mean.... no shit media would complain a lot? A vast majority of movies have white leads. So it makes zero sense for someone to say they're tired of seeing movies without white lead actors, because they are by far the majority. You understand this, yes? Why be upset about a supposed double standard, when applying the most basic of logic shows that it's not really a double standard at all?
Minorities can get away with saying more stuff, because they're minorities. It's always been this way and it will always be this way. Someone put it perfectly above when they mentioned White History Month. You're totally the bitter dude wondering why there's no White History Month and why there's no white version of BET.
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So thanks for recognizing there is a double standard, and seemly you abide by it.
Hiku said:
DonFerrari said:
Don't know when they think doing more segregation will solve current one or diminish prejudice.
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Could you clarify tho 'they' are? Do you mean fans of film that think this is ok? Since you made that remark before anyone had replied, no one had established themselves as 'they', so I'm not sure if that's what you mean.
But my thoughts here are that an all-white cast isn't inherently a discrimination problem. It depends on the film. If you want to make one revolving around the lives of a group of children, it's not discrimination to not cast older people, etc. I'd say that applies even if your casting decisions are based on appearance and on what you think the majority of the audience prefer.
I don't know the exact kind of films Peele is making, but there is an interest in sub-culture oriented films such as Crazy Rich Asians. Making an effort to bring those kind of films to life is understandable.
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When I say they, I'm saying everyone that thinks about making quotas, new segregation and similar stuff. Same as with again the double standard when we have black people posting hatred against white people (and being applauded). You won't won over "the other side" when you continuously say how much you hate them or that they are the enemy.
I do agree with your point that having all white, all black, all child, all old isn't prejudice by default, as that could be necessary to the story. One could certainly question the motivation to only write or direct stories that have a single group, but that also isn't what I was complaining.
I'm not even complaining that he basically said that all possible stories with white leads have been told (like if skin color would change stories by themselves, even though the examples Rol gave were very good on those were good movies with non-white cast, not sure if we can say that the race was the reason for it though).
My sole point is that when a black director wants to have his vision and follow it, even if it were racist (don't think it is in this case), media embraces. But if same was done by a white director it would be heavily criticized. That is a double standard that helps to divide and segregate. And to retain the high ground they will make claims of "reverse racism doesn't exist", "racism only exist if one race is systematically harmed", etc.