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EricHiggin said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:
EricHiggin said:
vivster said:
There is still a realistic chance for the Democrats to win the Senate before President Biden. Can't wait what the Republicans are gonna pull to hold on to that.

If there were ever a time when Dems should have full control over Gov, it's right now.

Yeah, because Mitch is going to block any covid relief bill for the people like he's doing for half a year now, leading to the death of thousands of Americans and thus screwing the people even more than they already are right now. He's really doing everything in his power to earn his nickname of "Reaper"...

Yup. No person in their right mind would sail Titanic below her full speed. Headlines.

The Titanic is actually a hilariously apt metaphor for how Democrats and Republicans work.

To prevent collision Republicans would rather melt all icebergs than ever slow down, while the Democrats would rather choose a different route far away from any icebergs. One of those policies is clearly superior to the other. And when the ship crashed the Republicans will blame the Democrats for not letting them melt enough icebergs.

In this metaphor the icebergs are both the US population and literal icebergs.

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EpicRandy said:

I'm reviewing Joe Biden's promises to get an estimate of how hard they would be to realize with a republican senate and Mitch Mcconell still as the majority leader.
My initial though, and from what I understand of US politics, is that it will be extremely difficult but, if I'm correct, budget may be used to bypass the Mcconnell "gate" to some degree.
From what I understand, Mcconnell can't really hold budget from votes and even if republicans turn the budget down forcing a shutdown, Republicans tend to end up "losing" shutdowns most of the time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pITlnrvhrY

I'm using this article as a listing of Joe Biden's promises : https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Here-s-what-Joe-Biden-wants-to-do-as-president-15709583.php

Ending the pandemic:
The easy part should be to increase testing.
The hard one would be to pass any relief package as they will be blocked by Mcconnell.
A mask mandate may be possible but might sow division and fuel right wing activist and conspiracy theorist.
It would probably be necessary to work directly with every state and ask them to follow science and mandate mask to avoid sowing more division.
On this file though Joe Biden will inivitably be able to claim victory as vaccine roll out.

Expanding health care:
Near impossible, but what's in place might just be properly funded with next budget.

Reforming immigration:
Near impossible

Raising the minimum wage:
Difficult but may bypass Senate by working directly with states to raise their minimum wages and include provision in the next budget to help states and/or business to which this burden might be to much.

Stronger action on climate change:
Hard part - would be to add new regulation and law.
The more "doable" part would be to end fossil fuel subsidies and increase investment in green infrastructure and Green program in the next budget.

Free college — for some:
Can be done to some degree using the budget.

Higher taxes for the rich, corporations:
Doable - if his able to tied those in his next budget.
Since Trump tax cut included an increase for 2021 for those earning to below 40K and the pandemic will likely still be around it should be doable to force a vote on a new tax plan.

You have to take into account that a lot can be accomplished through administrative agencies. These agencies have already been granted some of Congress' power (which is controversial but legal as of now) and in a very real sense function as law making bodies.

An organization like the EPA can do a lot in terms of regulating greenhouse gasses and such. Trump's travel bans were implemented by administrative action/executive order and can be undone by the same. How DACA is interpreted and enforced is also a matter that could be done without the Senate. The IRS can also make revenue rulings that can close certain loopholes and such.

Winning the Senate would be great, but the executive branch has grown very powerful, and there's a lot that can get done without the legislative branch. Whether that's a good thing on balance is debatable (I personally think not), but it's the way things are for the time being. And of course, there's always 2022. It's incredibly unclear what happens to the republican party in the post-Trump future, so it's too early to predict what might happen, but the map is probably more favorable in 2022 than it was this year, and the democrats will be able to lose at most one seat.

I also wonder if Biden might be able to take a republican Senator off the table by offering them a cabinet position. I'm not suggesting they do that specifically to shift the Senate, but if a Senator is qualified, why not appoint someone like Romney? And if that Senator is in a swing state (obviously Romney would be replaced by another Republican in Utah) that could be an interesting scenario. Probably not going to happen, but it's possible. 

Thanks, some of that I did not know.

I also thinks action on environment might be easier than anticipated by reserving a good share of promised investment for some red state. Which even with all politics sets aside, kinda make sense.

If republican keep control of the senate, I think the best avenue for democrats will be to keep bill extremely concise and targeted so that republicans would have limited way to paint them in a bad light and block or vote against them without themselves be painted in a bad light.

Hopefully, Biden's will have enough quick win end senate workaround to keep him busy and competent in the public opinion enough to kill the 'mentally hill' and 'do nothing' rhetoric Trumpist blindly believe as of now.
Comes 2022 midterm, the good news is that the Trumpist will be without a Trump. The difficult part will be to keep democrats voters as engaged as they were in this election.





vivster said:
EricHiggin said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:
EricHiggin said:
vivster said:
There is still a realistic chance for the Democrats to win the Senate before President Biden. Can't wait what the Republicans are gonna pull to hold on to that.

If there were ever a time when Dems should have full control over Gov, it's right now.

Yeah, because Mitch is going to block any covid relief bill for the people like he's doing for half a year now, leading to the death of thousands of Americans and thus screwing the people even more than they already are right now. He's really doing everything in his power to earn his nickname of "Reaper"...

Yup. No person in their right mind would sail Titanic below her full speed. Headlines.

The Titanic is actually a hilariously apt metaphor for how Democrats and Republicans work.

To prevent collision Republicans would rather melt all icebergs than ever slow down, while the Democrats would rather choose a different route far away from any icebergs. One of those policies is clearly superior to the other. And when the ship crashed the Republicans will blame the Democrats for not letting them melt enough icebergs.

In this metaphor the icebergs are both the US population and literal icebergs.

That's one side of the coin. The Rep outlook is more along the lines of the movie itself. Every side has their own viewpoint and to each their own.



EricHiggin said:
vivster said:
EricHiggin said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:
EricHiggin said:
vivster said:
There is still a realistic chance for the Democrats to win the Senate before President Biden. Can't wait what the Republicans are gonna pull to hold on to that.

If there were ever a time when Dems should have full control over Gov, it's right now.

Yeah, because Mitch is going to block any covid relief bill for the people like he's doing for half a year now, leading to the death of thousands of Americans and thus screwing the people even more than they already are right now. He's really doing everything in his power to earn his nickname of "Reaper"...

Yup. No person in their right mind would sail Titanic below her full speed. Headlines.

The Titanic is actually a hilariously apt metaphor for how Democrats and Republicans work.

To prevent collision Republicans would rather melt all icebergs than ever slow down, while the Democrats would rather choose a different route far away from any icebergs. One of those policies is clearly superior to the other. And when the ship crashed the Republicans will blame the Democrats for not letting them melt enough icebergs.

In this metaphor the icebergs are both the US population and literal icebergs.

That's one side of the coin. The Rep outlook is more along the lines of the movie itself. Every side has their own viewpoint and to each their own.

Different viewpoints are great and all but catering to a tiny minority is a bad viewpoint to have in a democracy.



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EricHiggin said:

That's one side of the coin. The Rep outlook is more along the lines of the movie itself. Every side has their own viewpoint and to each their own.

Except that's wrong. There are right and wrong answers here. A viewpoint or opinion is fine to have, but it doesn't supercede facts or reason. An 'opinion' is that Marvel is better than DC. Human rights and laws and science aren't a matter of opinion. People should be educated, not dictated strictly by emotion.



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EricHiggin said:
vivster said:
EricHiggin said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:
EricHiggin said:
vivster said:
There is still a realistic chance for the Democrats to win the Senate before President Biden. Can't wait what the Republicans are gonna pull to hold on to that.

If there were ever a time when Dems should have full control over Gov, it's right now.

Yeah, because Mitch is going to block any covid relief bill for the people like he's doing for half a year now, leading to the death of thousands of Americans and thus screwing the people even more than they already are right now. He's really doing everything in his power to earn his nickname of "Reaper"...

Yup. No person in their right mind would sail Titanic below her full speed. Headlines.

The Titanic is actually a hilariously apt metaphor for how Democrats and Republicans work.

To prevent collision Republicans would rather melt all icebergs than ever slow down, while the Democrats would rather choose a different route far away from any icebergs. One of those policies is clearly superior to the other. And when the ship crashed the Republicans will blame the Democrats for not letting them melt enough icebergs.

In this metaphor the icebergs are both the US population and literal icebergs.

That's one side of the coin. The Rep outlook is more along the lines of the movie itself. Every side has their own viewpoint and to each their own.

So you're saying they are sinking the ship, but selling it as a love affair?

True, that's a pretty great analogy for the Republicans.



Runa216 said:
EricHiggin said:

That's one side of the coin. The Rep outlook is more along the lines of the movie itself. Every side has their own viewpoint and to each their own.

Except that's wrong. There are right and wrong answers here. A viewpoint or opinion is fine to have, but it doesn't supercede facts or reason. An 'opinion' is that Marvel is better than DC. Human rights and laws and science aren't a matter of opinion. People should be educated, not dictated strictly by emotion.

I don't see why it's wrong to be fine with people in general having their own opinion's, in which you stated is fine to have, so then are you saying that Reps wouldn't see it that way? If they do, and they are free to their own opinions, like everyone should be, I don't see what's wrong about what was said. Now you can make a separate argument about facts, but factually, for example, if everyone get's immunized for something that impacts everyone, that should be best for everyone, though we still don't force people to do that, because of their beliefs and opinions and right to choose. Just because something may be considered a fact, doesn't automatically make it right for everyone.



vivster said:
EricHiggin said:

That's one side of the coin. The Rep outlook is more along the lines of the movie itself. Every side has their own viewpoint and to each their own.

Different viewpoints are great and all but catering to a tiny minority is a bad viewpoint to have in a democracy.

The smartest/most efficient of us, are a tiny minority. I'd think catering to them wouldn't be the worst idea. Give them more resources and keep them more free of politics, within reason of course. The things that the majority of that minority typically end up doing for everyone are worth it.





EricHiggin said:

That's one side of the coin. The Rep outlook is more along the lines of the movie itself. Every side has their own viewpoint and to each their own.

That arrogant people in charge is a bad idea?

Are you sure you're talking about the American republicans?



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