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I feel like it isn't often that someone on the right surprises me anymore but this clip is something else... This show is one of the biggest presences on the online right and this is the shit they bring to the table?



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sundin13 said:

I feel like it isn't often that someone on the right surprises me anymore but this clip is something else... This show is one of the biggest presences on the online right and this is the shit they bring to the table?

Seems about right.  In today's world where you know the audience you are speaking to think the exact same way you do, its par for the course now.  They basically just say F it, why hide it any longer.



It was bad enough when a couple reps were merely implying credit for the recent covid relief bill they specifically voted against, now a whole lot more aren't even trying to be sly about it and are just straight up gaslighting people (via David Pakman):



The Damage Report comments on the ridiculous kid gloves the Georgia terrorist is being handled with:



Great news and out of the blue, M4A may be a thing with 112 Dems co-sponsoring the Bill, see where this goes 



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TallSilhouette said:

It was bad enough when a couple reps were merely implying credit for the recent covid relief bill they specifically voted against, now a whole lot more aren't even trying to be sly about it and are just straight up gaslighting people (via David Pakman):

I was literally coming into this thread to post this exact video. It's absurdity on the level of Ancient Greek comedy.



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Jumpin said:
TallSilhouette said:

It was bad enough when a couple reps were merely implying credit for the recent covid relief bill they specifically voted against, now a whole lot more aren't even trying to be sly about it and are just straight up gaslighting people (via David Pakman):

I was literally coming into this thread to post this exact video. It's absurdity on the level of Ancient Greek comedy.

The GOP realized that this kind of lie actually works very well and you can thank Trump for that.  It use to be that politicians believed that they only need to tell little small lies or hard to recognize half truths in the past but Trump has shone that you can just outright lie and your constituents will basically run with it.  Since they understand that their constituents only ever go to conservative sites, they know that there will be no real blow back on such mistruths so why  not go with it.  Its interesting marketing strategy and I wonder on some of these tweets what were some of the response.



So, I wanted to say something about the crisis at the border real quick. First of all, yes, it is a crisis.

But beyond that, I wanted to talk briefly about Biden. I think there is a lot of misplaced blame about Biden's actions here, coming from the right and the left. Biden's actions regarding the border have predominantly been removing pulling back on some of Trump's worst policies. Unaccompanied children are no longer being turned away at the border by default. Sponsors who come forward to claim unaccompanied children are no longer being referred to ICE for arrest. The Remain in Mexico has been scaled back as much as possible given the circumstances. Efforts are being made to expands HHS capabilities for housing Unaccompanied Minors. Construction on the wall has halted.

Again, these are all improvements. Obviously a lot more needs to happen, but Biden's power on this front is limited. We need Congress to act.

However, I feel this is also where the Biden administration is failing to meet the moment. This is a crisis and it should be treated as such. It seems out of fear for some political blowback (which would happen either way), the administration is trying to avoid the issue as much as possible when it comes to publicity. This echoes my greater issue with the Biden presidency thus far. He seems to be leaving a lot of PR responsibility for making bills happen to Congress. Now, there are greater sins than letting the legislature legislate, but the Presidency isn't just for signing bills. Like, sure, he put forward the Covid relief plan, but he largely sat back while Congress figured out what to do with it. Now, I feel he has a tremendous opportunity to use the bully pulpit to start shaping the public response to this crisis. We were lucky that the Republicans failed to really shape the discourse around the Covid relief bill, but we can't bank on that happening again.

In my opinion, Biden should be having a press conference right now (ideally last week or the week before) talking about how this crisis represents a failing of America. We need to act to fix the broken system. Sure, Trump did as much damage as he could, but just getting it back to "normal" isn't a solution. Moments like this are great for providing political pressure and if they got out ahead of this, I think they could have succeeded in placing the blame on Trump and position himself as a solution. Unfortunately, it seems discourse is largely cementing around the idea that Biden is the problem (which isn't true), though he has done little to prove to me that he has the political will to be the solution at this point.

Now, either way, he isn't the problem here and he represents a large improvement from Trump, but he has an opportunity here and with every day that passes, that opportunity is being wasted.



sundin13 said:

So, I wanted to say something about the crisis at the border real quick. First of all, yes, it is a crisis.

But beyond that, I wanted to talk briefly about Biden. I think there is a lot of misplaced blame about Biden's actions here, coming from the right and the left. Biden's actions regarding the border have predominantly been removing pulling back on some of Trump's worst policies. Unaccompanied children are no longer being turned away at the border by default. Sponsors who come forward to claim unaccompanied children are no longer being referred to ICE for arrest. The Remain in Mexico has been scaled back as much as possible given the circumstances. Efforts are being made to expands HHS capabilities for housing Unaccompanied Minors. Construction on the wall has halted.

Again, these are all improvements. Obviously a lot more needs to happen, but Biden's power on this front is limited. We need Congress to act.

However, I feel this is also where the Biden administration is failing to meet the moment. This is a crisis and it should be treated as such. It seems out of fear for some political blowback (which would happen either way), the administration is trying to avoid the issue as much as possible when it comes to publicity. This echoes my greater issue with the Biden presidency thus far. He seems to be leaving a lot of PR responsibility for making bills happen to Congress. Now, there are greater sins than letting the legislature legislate, but the Presidency isn't just for signing bills. Like, sure, he put forward the Covid relief plan, but he largely sat back while Congress figured out what to do with it. Now, I feel he has a tremendous opportunity to use the bully pulpit to start shaping the public response to this crisis. We were lucky that the Republicans failed to really shape the discourse around the Covid relief bill, but we can't bank on that happening again.

In my opinion, Biden should be having a press conference right now (ideally last week or the week before) talking about how this crisis represents a failing of America. We need to act to fix the broken system. Sure, Trump did as much damage as he could, but just getting it back to "normal" isn't a solution. Moments like this are great for providing political pressure and if they got out ahead of this, I think they could have succeeded in placing the blame on Trump and position himself as a solution. Unfortunately, it seems discourse is largely cementing around the idea that Biden is the problem (which isn't true), though he has done little to prove to me that he has the political will to be the solution at this point.

Now, either way, he isn't the problem here and he represents a large improvement from Trump, but he has an opportunity here and with every day that passes, that opportunity is being wasted.

This is a lesson that people are really slow to learn. Even if a situation is in fact terrible and needs to be changed, but you also have to have a clear idea of what comes next, or the situation can be made worse. Removing barriers to immigration while we already had unsuitable facilities wasn't going to work well. Maybe phasing out the policies over time would have been a better move, although I haven't been following this issue that closely.



JWeinCom said:

This is a lesson that people are really slow to learn. Even if a situation is in fact terrible and needs to be changed, but you also have to have a clear idea of what comes next, or the situation can be made worse. Removing barriers to immigration while we already had unsuitable facilities wasn't going to work well. Maybe phasing out the policies over time would have been a better move, although I haven't been following this issue that closely.

I don't think the problem is so much that "Biden removed the barriers to immigration and now look what happened", although a lot of people very much want to convince you that is the case. Biden isn't changing policies in any way which should lead to these drastic increases. It is more an issue on two fronts: One is that it was likely that we would always have an issue this year with the border opening as we get Covid under control and natural disasters in Latin America increasing demand for migration. The second is that it isn't about what Biden has done which is causing issues, it is what he theoretically might do in the future. 

Those two things combined basically made this problem unavoidable. People watching the region have known since far before inauguration that this would be coming, so the only thing that we could really do was be ready for it. We still weren't but like I said, I think calling Biden the problem here just doesn't make much sense.