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Bernie is not above using shitty Republican tactics to push through change to actually make positive progress.



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Another point about rioting:

When someone makes the decision to try and escalate a protest into a riot, they're not doing it for “the good of the cause.” They’re just blatantly using the cause as an excuse to break the law and do stupid, reckless, dangerous things that puts others at risk, thinking they’ll be able to get away with it. And that does far more harm than good.



Pemalite said:
JWeinCom said:

There are pretty much no circumstances where we are going to allow people to endorse violence. We are not going to distinguish based on whether the riot is "justified". I'll keep it simple because I'm not trying to start a debate, but you need to drop any pro-violence pro-riot rhetoric immediately.

This.
As someone who is LGBTQI+, there is never a reason to riot and I would be absolutely disgusted if people used the LGBTQI+ community as justification to riot and cause destruction and chaos.
Womens rights and black lives are the same.

There is never an excuse to riot, cause destruction and destroy lives and livelihoods, there is a right way and a wrong way to go about things.

A free nation typically has the freedom to "protest" as one of it's founding pillars of freedom, which typically accompanies other freedoms like free speech, freedom of assembly and freedom of association.

Protesting is one thing... It's peaceful.

But when it delves into chaos then the legal system needs to crack down hard, the reasoning for the riot is ultimately irrelevant at that point.

LGBTQI+, Women and People of Colour have continued to gain more rights and equal rights over time in Australia via peaceful means, through petitions, legislation, voting and peaceful protests, it works when you have a healthy democratic system that works for the people.

What if you don't have that or are simply stuck in a cycle or promising to do better without any real change. Just playing Devil's advocate here as I don't disagree with you. However some things have become so 'accepted' that change by peaceful 'out of the way' protests falls on deaf ears or is soon forgotten again.

For example, in September already
Police reforms stall around the country, despite new wave of activism

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/23/breonna-taylor-police-reforms-420799

The announcement Wednesday that Kentucky officials will not charge the police officers for shooting and killing Breonna Taylor, an unarmed Black woman, in her apartment in March just reinforced the feeling that as much as Black Lives Matter and police reform movements may have grabbed the public’s attention, they have yet to upend the status quo when it comes to race and public safety.

That’s particularly evident at the state and federal level, where Congress and a majority of state legislatures have taken no action, and even states with liberal leadership in governor’s mansions and state capitals have failed to move aggressively. Activists tracking bills in state legislatures attribute the inaction to two factors: push back from powerful police unions and poor timing.

Can't find anything more recent on police reforms, all forgotten, except in New Jersey
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/12/new-jersey-police-reform/617436/

It's a start and ironically it's bypassing the 'democratic system' that makes it possible
Gurbir Grewal, the 47-year-old Democrat who was appointed New Jersey’s attorney general in 2017, doesn’t have to worry about persuading recalcitrant legislators or winning reelection. Grewal has more individual power over his state’s police forces than almost any other official in America, and this afternoon, he will deploy that power to unilaterally overhaul New Jersey’s use-of-force policies and retrain every police officer in the nation’s most densely populated state.





"Everything I don't like is socialism."

I bet the majority of these clowns couldn't define socialism correctly if their life depended on it.

Machiavellian said:
curl-6 said:

Yeah that's what the QAnon/MAGA cultists all seem to be telling themselves at the moment.

"The storm is coming, wait and see, you'll love how this ends. God's plan cannot be stopped!"

"Files on Pelosi's laptop incriminate the globalist communist pedophile cabal, the pope has been arrested, Trump is in Texas right now meeting with the heads of the military, there will be martial law and military tribunals and the democrats will be all executed for treason, all this happening in the next few days, be ready."

"Biden will never be president, looking forward to 4 more years of Trump our saviour."

In 9 days when Trump is no longer president, and there is no great unmasking of this mythical NWO pedophile vampire illuminati, the fragile fantasy they've built is going to come crashing down for a lot of these people.

Lol, with a few QAnon friends on my FB, I can assure you they will just move to the next rumor.  Whoever is pulling their strings is having a ball.  Every time one of these rumors start to fly around, I have asked my QAnon friends what happens if this doesn't occur and they pretty much always say wait and see.  When it doesn't happen they just move to the next rumor and if you question anything, well you do not have the eyes to see what they do.  

Yeah that sounds like a cult alright. Still, I think at least some people who haven't been totally consumed will start to finally wake up and realize it's all bullshit eventually; even in cults, some people do eventually wise up and leave.



Republican Sen. Tim Scott (S.C.) said he won't vote to convict Trump.

Good to know you can try to overthrow your own government and be let off scott free. And good to know your own kind won't convict you after trying to get them killed simply because they have an R beside their name.

The Republicans might actually be helping themselves by wiping their hands of Trump and all the damage he's caused their party by being an incompetent, bumbling, narcissistic idiot, but they're once again living up to their terrorists moniker.



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SvennoJ said:
Pemalite said:

This.
As someone who is LGBTQI+, there is never a reason to riot and I would be absolutely disgusted if people used the LGBTQI+ community as justification to riot and cause destruction and chaos.
Womens rights and black lives are the same.

There is never an excuse to riot, cause destruction and destroy lives and livelihoods, there is a right way and a wrong way to go about things.

A free nation typically has the freedom to "protest" as one of it's founding pillars of freedom, which typically accompanies other freedoms like free speech, freedom of assembly and freedom of association.

Protesting is one thing... It's peaceful.

But when it delves into chaos then the legal system needs to crack down hard, the reasoning for the riot is ultimately irrelevant at that point.

LGBTQI+, Women and People of Colour have continued to gain more rights and equal rights over time in Australia via peaceful means, through petitions, legislation, voting and peaceful protests, it works when you have a healthy democratic system that works for the people.

What if you don't have that or are simply stuck in a cycle or promising to do better without any real change. Just playing Devil's advocate here as I don't disagree with you. However some things have become so 'accepted' that change by peaceful 'out of the way' protests falls on deaf ears or is soon forgotten again.

For example, in September already
Police reforms stall around the country, despite new wave of activism

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/23/breonna-taylor-police-reforms-420799

The announcement Wednesday that Kentucky officials will not charge the police officers for shooting and killing Breonna Taylor, an unarmed Black woman, in her apartment in March just reinforced the feeling that as much as Black Lives Matter and police reform movements may have grabbed the public’s attention, they have yet to upend the status quo when it comes to race and public safety.

That’s particularly evident at the state and federal level, where Congress and a majority of state legislatures have taken no action, and even states with liberal leadership in governor’s mansions and state capitals have failed to move aggressively. Activists tracking bills in state legislatures attribute the inaction to two factors: push back from powerful police unions and poor timing.

Can't find anything more recent on police reforms, all forgotten, except in New Jersey
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/12/new-jersey-police-reform/617436/

It's a start and ironically it's bypassing the 'democratic system' that makes it possible
Gurbir Grewal, the 47-year-old Democrat who was appointed New Jersey’s attorney general in 2017, doesn’t have to worry about persuading recalcitrant legislators or winning reelection. Grewal has more individual power over his state’s police forces than almost any other official in America, and this afternoon, he will deploy that power to unilaterally overhaul New Jersey’s use-of-force policies and retrain every police officer in the nation’s most densely populated state.



People will eventually get tired of the status quo and vote for something that will hopefully result in disruptive change.
Trump was actually such a thing, many people voted because it was different from the status quo... A protest vote so to speak.
Obviously that resulted in a cluster-fuck, drama-filled, 4-year long comedy act... But obviously people had enough.

It will occur again, political history tends to repeat itself.




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Looks like the chances for removal will once again be zero. Republican senators will have too many reasons to vote against it, one of which is to not get killed by angry cultists.



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Pence will not continue with the 25th. Conservatives are desperate for a spin, or just another scandal so people forget the previous one. You know, what Trump did for 4 years in rapid succession. However, people won't forget the Capitol coup attempt easily. Enough hopefully to remember it in 2 years.



Looks like conservatives think that it is possible for Trump to be removed. I just don't see it. Mitch isn't even willing to convene the senate and he's saying that he supports the impeachment.



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curl-6 said:

"Everything I don't like is socialism."

I bet the majority of these clowns couldn't define socialism correctly if their life depended on it.

Or democracy. Or a republic (since many of them claim that the US is a republic, not a democracy, not knowing what that would entail). Or their individual rights for that matter.

Hiku said:


Rep. Crow: Majority Of Republicans 'Paralyzed With Fear' To Vote For Impeachment | MTP Daily | MSNBC - YouTube

Some GOP members reportedly broke down in tears, saying they're afraid for their lives if they vote to impeach.

While I can sympathize with that... We fucking told you since Day 1 to not feed these psychos comspiracy theories, or support those who do.

They fed the troll, and now want to stop it. But the Troll is getting more and more hungry if they do so, and he's out for blood if he's hungry...

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