Police violence is a global issue, but in USA it is more complex due to how police operates.



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JapaneseGamesLover said:
Police violence is a global issue, but in USA it is more complex due to how police operates.

It really isnt. Most places it rarely happends, and when it does, they are charged for it.
Its mainly a USA issue.

Watch this:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_IN4Z1IpOg


Watch from 5mins on.
He talks about how cops in the US, treat you, vs how cops in germany (europe in general) treat you.

Short story:
He got pulled over, and hes thinking "oh no, cops, Im a blank man, here we go again".
The cop is like "I notice your plate is hanging lose, with just 1 screw and is about to fall off"
Hes like "oh sh*t we didnt know, we ll fix it right away sir, no problem"  (no ticket, no warnings nothing)
--> what happend was cop asked him if he wanted help with it? and the cop offered, saying they had time for it. They carry tools around in car.
The law enforcer, helped him get the plate secured, and and wished him a good day and drove off after.

Thats how most cops in europe are.
Vastly differnt than how cops in the US act.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 31 May 2020

In Germany it is also an issue and in many countries, USA is whole mess and cant compare for sure.



It is like the police force in america are getting no structure on how to handle things,people often forget most cops are just normal people just like themselves.
And in these cases it just looks like they're just let loose without clear orders or else getting orders that give too much freedom/risk.



sundin13 said:
KLAMarine said:

"Who do they vote for when nothing ever changes?"

>For candidates who will change things.

"I don't think it is the responsibility of those being murdered to write the laws which would prevent them from being murdered."

>They should make it their responsibility. They should stick their heads deep into this issue and contribute a maximum amount into the writing of these laws as physically possible. Them being so passive about these laws tells me they don't care that much...

"That said, I think massive changes need to occur at all levels to change the relationship between the police and the people, and change the relationship between the people and those found guilty/accused of crimes. While this only addresses one small piece of a huge problem, I think this is a good start:

https://www.joincampaignzero.org/solutions#solutionsoverview"

>Which of these proposals do you think would have prevented Floyd's death?

You seemed to have completely ignored my first point, so I see no reason to repeat myself on that.

As for my second point, I think your twisting of what I said is an incredibly shitty thing to do. I never said that anyone was being passive about these laws, so for you to even make these accusations I think is pretty illuminating about your mindset on the issues. There are many people who are being proactive about these laws. I posted one example of that in my comment. However, my point was that the fact that people like you are demanding that the victims write the laws is in itself a perversion of justice. It is not the way that these things should work. It is due to a complete failure of the system, and we should demand that the system improves and does its fucking job. The many people and organization who are putting forward policy proposals and demands are going above and beyond what should be required of them, so for you to accuse them of not caring, man that fucking pisses me off...

As for the last point, something I often like to say in regards to mass shootings is that we shouldn't look to implement reactive policies to prevent one specific instance. We should be proactive instead of reacting. We should look to do the most good, instead of trying to prevent something that has already happened. That said, I think numerous things that were listed on that site could have made a difference, most notably changing how officers respond to minor offenses and improving training. The thing is, a lot of this comes down to changing mindsets. It isn't about saying or doing one specific thing, it is about fundamentally changing the relationship between police and the community, and that is something which cannot be done just by making one or two small changes. It requires foundational change.

Trying to enact preventative measures IS a proactive approach.

TK-Karma said:
KLAMarine said:

"Who do they vote for when nothing ever changes?"

>For candidates who will change things.

I am seriously struggling to accept that you could legitimately be this naive.

Your behaviour is in-line with what the protests are about in the first place ... many people do not believe that the system works, from their subjective viewpoint. The outcomes they experience in their day-to-day lives are living proof to them that it doesn't work. They are trying to communicate this to naive people like you in the mainstream who just gaslight them and tell them to go back to voting and it'll all be ok.

Please at least make an attempt to learn inference as a skill for critical thinking.

"many people do not believe that the system works, from their subjective viewpoint"

>Indeed, very subjective. And that's a problem.



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KLAMarine said:
 

"many people do not believe that the system works, from their subjective viewpoint"

>Indeed, very subjective. And that's a problem.

Well then you and the rest of those in the US with your opinion had better hurry up and figure out how to engage in meaningful conversations towards some kind of consensus with your rioting peers.

Your demonstrated strategy for political discourse on this forum lacks imagination in your pursuit to learn, in that you choose to not exercise your imagination. You seem too scared to think/talk about situations that's not got some perfectly framed and uncut video-footage associated with it, which limits your ability to be aware of what can/cannot be likely. Unfortunately we dont have that luxury in the real-world and without using your imagination, it's gonna be hard to properly exercise empathy and connect with those on the other side to work on a solution that gets collective buy-in ... some might also call this a functioning democracy ;)

This strategy of stubborn/ignorant denial of underlying issues has also been the US' de-facto strategy for a long time and it clearly isn't working. The world is mortified at what's happening right now, maybe most of all because of the lack of self-awareness around it.



Reading through the last 50 posts here on the tread, I just went from wtf? to WTF?????????

Seriously America, what the actual fuck? I can't even find words to describe what I feel, I think Permalite's post above is stating it pretty well though.

JRPGfan said:
JapaneseGamesLover said:
Police violence is a global issue, but in USA it is more complex due to how police operates.

It really isnt. Most places it rarely happends, and when it does, they are charged for it.
Its mainly a USA issue.

Watch this:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_IN4Z1IpOg


Watch from 5mins on.
He talks about how cops in the US, treat you, vs how cops in germany (europe in general) treat you.

Short story:
He got pulled over, and hes thinking "oh no, cops, Im a blank man, here we go again".
The cop is like "I notice your plate is hanging lose, with just 1 screw and is about to fall off"
Hes like "oh sh*t we didnt know, we ll fix it right away sir, no problem"  (no ticket, no warnings nothing)
--> what happend was cop asked him if he wanted help with it? and the cop offered, saying they had time for it. They carry tools around in car.
The law enforcer, helped him get the plate secured, and and wished him a good day and drove off after.

Thats how most cops in europe are.
Vastly differnt than how cops in the US act.

I think that's due to selection and training are much tighter and longer.

For instance here in Luxembourg, you need to pass 5 tests: Fitness, Intelligence, Logic, Psychology and Psychotechnic (stress resistance, ability to stay calm and composed, immunity to monotony) before you can even get admitted to police school, and a final test after 4 years of training before you can even hit the streets. And they have to redo the Psy tests every year, if they fail they get relegated to office work.

By contrast, I know that at least some states have only 3 months of training for their cops with just basic screenings. That just doesn't cut it.

Last edited by Bofferbrauer2 - on 31 May 2020

KLAMarine said:

Trying to enact preventative measures IS a proactive approach.

If you are going to respond to me, respond to my entire post instead of cutting out one sentence and responding to it out of context.



Hiku said:

I can't... 
Shooting at a nurse treating a man bleeding heavily, who picked up a garbage can to shield her from the bullets...?
Is this an anime?



It's like you have to change the entire police/military system to fix this.

It's like they think they're playing some videogames where you shoot the medic first, while in real life a medic is a non-target.



KiigelHeart said:
JRPGfan said:

What the actual f***.

Tell me about it. No context whatsoever for some of these cases and apparently US police use pepper sprays that look like those you use to water the flowers. 

Seriously.. Just read some of the stuff that guy is posting and tell me you should take everything and every one of his clips at face value.

Pretty sure the water spray bottles were to try to help her get the residue off her eyes.

Can't see where the incident happened, but after all I've seen these past few days I wouldn't be surprised in the least if she was another collateral damage from their careless actions.

Like opening fire against people for just standing on the porch of their own house:

JRPGfan said:

What the actual f***.

*edit: Dammit Hiku why did you link those things....  I kept watching (scrolling down twitter) and theres like clips of cops getting beat the hell outta on there and dragged through the streets, vids of of a shop owner, takeing a sword to swing at looters, and then getting stomped/kicked until hes dead. WTF.....  Rioting looks crazy.  Too much for me man.

@JRPGfan  I didn't look through the other tweets in there, so if it has things like that, its better if I edit it out of my post then. 

Last edited by Hiku - on 31 May 2020