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Rab said:

The Establishment Dems (Including Biden) and Reps don't have a plan to properly address this looming Eviction Crisis 

Note: Vermont is lowest, also one of the lowest covid infection rates and deaths (reasons?)

"We are just going to kick people out on the streets. That is Nancy Pelosi's plan, that is Donald Trump's plan."

But that isn't exactly true, is it?

The House (which you will recall is within Nancy Pelosi's purview) passed the HEROES Act back in May, which included hundreds of billions of dollars for housing and homelessness programs and extended the moratorium.

From the National Low Income Housing Coalition:

"Thanks to all of your advocacy and the support of our congressional champions, the proposal includes all of our top priorities, including $100 billion in emergency rental assistance through the “Emergency Rental Assistance Act and Rental Market Stabilization Act,” an additional $11.5 billion to prevent and respond to outbreaks among people experiencing homelessness, and a national, uniform moratorium on evictions for all renters. The bill also includes funding for 100,000 new emergency housing vouchers, $5 billion for Community Development Block Grants, more than $300 million for rural rental assistance, and additional funding for public housing and other HUD housing providers to help cover increased costs and adjust rental assistance for households with decreased incomes."

The House also passed the Emergency Housing Protections and Relief Act in June, which too included hundreds of billions of dollars for housing and extended the moratorium:

"[This bill] allocates $100 billion to emergency rental assistance programs, creates a $75 billion relief fund for homeowners and extends the eviction and foreclosure moratorium put in place by the CARES Act through March 2021"

Both of these bills went to the Senate and did not see debate.

Additionally, bills were introduced in the Senate, such as the Protecting Renters from Evictions and Fees Act proposed by Elizabeth Warren, which sought to extend the moratorium on evictions and extend it to cover all renters. This bill did not pass.

I'm kind of tired of people drawing these false equivalencies between the Democrats and the Republicans... Your video goes so far as to say that the reason this is happening is because people are voting Democrat. Honestly, fuck that guy. This shit would have passed months ago if the Democrats had control of the Senate.

These far-left "the democrats are evil" whingers are nothing more than pathetic grifters, who are doing nothing but telling progressives that it is their moral imperative to support Donald Trump. Him and his ilk can kindly go fuck themselves.



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Lonely_Dolphin said:
JRPGfan said:

Which are being ignored, and people in such positions of power, have been replaced with "yes men" by trump.
People that just nod and agree with everything he does, even if unlawfull.

Checks and balances are only as good as the people upholding them.

If that's true, why aren't we already a fascist dictatorship, and how are we having this election?

EDIT: Trump is just one dude, if he loses he and tries to stay in the White House he will be forced out and hopefully thrown in jail, but I don't think he's that dumb, we all know he likes to talk shit and act tough.

Surround yourself with enough people (that believe as you do) in positions of power.
Theres no one left to throw you out forcefully.

You just need enough "yes people" in enough important places.
Look how he gets people to break the law, and lie under oath for him, and lateron just pardons them.

They know, they are above the system, and if enough of them, are in places of power and just hold together, it will be damned hard to get them off it.

All Trump has to do, is make a semi decentish enough arguement for why hes not vacateing the seat.
And his 40% or so base, will be enough that the remaning 60% that want to see him gone, probably cant.

In 1932, hitlers NSDAP party had 30,1% of the vote, with another party or two going along with him, they took power.
The point is, after they wanted him gone, they couldn't. Even though only 30% of the public perphaps supported the nazi's it was enough.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 02 August 2020

sundin13 said:
Rab said:

The Establishment Dems (Including Biden) and Reps don't have a plan to properly address this looming Eviction Crisis 

Note: Vermont is lowest, also one of the lowest covid infection rates and deaths (reasons?)

"We are just going to kick people out on the streets. That is Nancy Pelosi's plan, that is Donald Trump's plan."

But that isn't exactly true, is it?

The House (which you will recall is within Nancy Pelosi's purview) passed the HEROES Act back in May, which included hundreds of billions of dollars for housing and homelessness programs and extended the moratorium.

From the National Low Income Housing Coalition:

"Thanks to all of your advocacy and the support of our congressional champions, the proposal includes all of our top priorities, including $100 billion in emergency rental assistance through the “Emergency Rental Assistance Act and Rental Market Stabilization Act,” an additional $11.5 billion to prevent and respond to outbreaks among people experiencing homelessness, and a national, uniform moratorium on evictions for all renters. The bill also includes funding for 100,000 new emergency housing vouchers, $5 billion for Community Development Block Grants, more than $300 million for rural rental assistance, and additional funding for public housing and other HUD housing providers to help cover increased costs and adjust rental assistance for households with decreased incomes."

The House also passed the Emergency Housing Protections and Relief Act in June, which too included hundreds of billions of dollars for housing and extended the moratorium:

"[This bill] allocates $100 billion to emergency rental assistance programs, creates a $75 billion relief fund for homeowners and extends the eviction and foreclosure moratorium put in place by the CARES Act through March 2021"

Both of these bills went to the Senate and did not see debate.

Additionally, bills were introduced in the Senate, such as the Protecting Renters from Evictions and Fees Act proposed by Elizabeth Warren, which sought to extend the moratorium on evictions and extend it to cover all renters. This bill did not pass.

I'm kind of tired of people drawing these false equivalencies between the Democrats and the Republicans... Your video goes so far as to say that the reason this is happening is because people are voting Democrat. Honestly, fuck that guy. This shit would have passed months ago if the Democrats had control of the Senate.

These far-left "the democrats are evil" whingers are nothing more than pathetic grifters, who are doing nothing but telling progressives that it is their moral imperative to support Donald Trump. Him and his ilk can kindly go fuck themselves.

You must be living in lala land if you think the Est Dems are doing much of anything to help people, particularly the working poor, one example is M4A which they have fought against tooth and nail let alone student fees and pharmaceutical price hikes, the Est Dems like the Est Reps want the status quo to continue and support the military industrial complex, wall street and big business over small business and workers   

If you keep believing their BS your not one to be convinced, this shite has gone on too long for ignorance to be the reason 



JRPGfan said:
Zoombael said:

I do understand your sentiment and a year ago i would never have said anything close to those words you quote. So many people don't understand the current political situation in the US and other western countries and the implications, the great potential danger. 19** danger.

Is that in reguard to facism? and world wars?
Yes trump is on that path (facism).....  however there will not be any more world wars.

Theres nukes enough to cover the surface of the earth 12-15 times over.
So if Trump turns the US into a facist dictatorship, other nations of the world, wont be able to save you.
US back then went into the war to help save europe.
We cannot do the same for america, we cant save you from another Hitler, if that is what trump actually turns out to be.

You need to save yourselves before it gets to that point.

I'm not talking about facism. People have been sensitized to identify and be opposed to extreme ideologies. Apparently not thoroughly enough.



Hunting Season is done...

Zoombael said:
Runa216 said:
I think it's clear that y'all need to start voting for PARTIES and not INDIVIDUALS, because that's how you end up stupidly voting in Trump just becuase you don't like Hillary/Biden. I don't see why people hate Hillary/Biden, but I do know that their parties still stand for progress and equality, not parity and regression like modern Republicans. Trump is a trash human, but he doesn't have nearly as much power as you might think. He is a figurehead, a (terrible) speaker, not the one who actually makes decisions.

Aside from contradicting yourself...

Republicans are still the lesser of two evils.

Compared to the American Freedom Party? Certainly! But since they are not on the ballot this year...



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Rab said:
sundin13 said:

"We are just going to kick people out on the streets. That is Nancy Pelosi's plan, that is Donald Trump's plan."

But that isn't exactly true, is it?

The House (which you will recall is within Nancy Pelosi's purview) passed the HEROES Act back in May, which included hundreds of billions of dollars for housing and homelessness programs and extended the moratorium.

From the National Low Income Housing Coalition:

"Thanks to all of your advocacy and the support of our congressional champions, the proposal includes all of our top priorities, including $100 billion in emergency rental assistance through the “Emergency Rental Assistance Act and Rental Market Stabilization Act,” an additional $11.5 billion to prevent and respond to outbreaks among people experiencing homelessness, and a national, uniform moratorium on evictions for all renters. The bill also includes funding for 100,000 new emergency housing vouchers, $5 billion for Community Development Block Grants, more than $300 million for rural rental assistance, and additional funding for public housing and other HUD housing providers to help cover increased costs and adjust rental assistance for households with decreased incomes."

The House also passed the Emergency Housing Protections and Relief Act in June, which too included hundreds of billions of dollars for housing and extended the moratorium:

"[This bill] allocates $100 billion to emergency rental assistance programs, creates a $75 billion relief fund for homeowners and extends the eviction and foreclosure moratorium put in place by the CARES Act through March 2021"

Both of these bills went to the Senate and did not see debate.

Additionally, bills were introduced in the Senate, such as the Protecting Renters from Evictions and Fees Act proposed by Elizabeth Warren, which sought to extend the moratorium on evictions and extend it to cover all renters. This bill did not pass.

I'm kind of tired of people drawing these false equivalencies between the Democrats and the Republicans... Your video goes so far as to say that the reason this is happening is because people are voting Democrat. Honestly, fuck that guy. This shit would have passed months ago if the Democrats had control of the Senate.

These far-left "the democrats are evil" whingers are nothing more than pathetic grifters, who are doing nothing but telling progressives that it is their moral imperative to support Donald Trump. Him and his ilk can kindly go fuck themselves.

You must be living in lala land if you think the Est Dems are doing much of anything to help people, particularly the working poor, one example is M4A which they have fought against tooth and nail let alone student fees and pharmaceutical price hikes, the Est Dems like the Est Reps want the status quo to continue and support the military industrial complex, wall street and big business over small business and workers   

If you keep believing their BS your not one to be convinced, this shite has gone on too long for ignorance to be the reason 

Did you not read the post you quoted? He gave several examples of acts from the democrats that would help people, especially those struggling financially.



Mr_Destiny said:

The Gullah-Geechee have owned land since the 1800s. One terrible law allows their land to be stolen

I just learned that it's legal to steal land that belongs to descendants of slaves if they use collective ownership like they were familiar with in West Africa. Very cool, and not at all racist!

Seriously, America? What century are you in, 19th or 18th???



JRPGfan said:

Surround yourself with enough people (that believe as you do) in positions of power.
Theres no one left to throw you out forcefully.

You just need enough "yes people" in enough important places.
Look how he gets people to break the law, and lie under oath for him, and lateron just pardons them.

They know, they are above the system, and if enough of them, are in places of power and just hold together, it will be damned hard to get them off it.

All Trump has to do, is make a semi decentish enough arguement for why hes not vacateing the seat.
And his 40% or so base, will be enough that the remaning 60% that want to see him gone, probably cant.

In 1932, hitlers NSDAP party had 30,1% of the vote, with another party or two going along with him, they took power.
The point is, after they wanted him gone, they couldn't. Even though only 30% of the public perphaps supported the nazi's it was enough.

None of that answers my questions, if everyone in power supports trump, why are we not already a dictatorship and why are we having an election? This is also why your comparison to Hitler is flawed, both got elected, but only one actually turned their government fascist.

Like we're really going to uproot values we've maintained for 200+ years overnight for this snake of a man. It absolutely will not be as easy as you make it sound, there will be another civil war before we can ever become a dictatorship. Not everyone who votes for Trump is so infatuated with him that they'll give up their values and rights, so the number against him will be far more than the voting percentage.



Lonely_Dolphin said:
JRPGfan said:

Surround yourself with enough people (that believe as you do) in positions of power.
Theres no one left to throw you out forcefully.

You just need enough "yes people" in enough important places.
Look how he gets people to break the law, and lie under oath for him, and lateron just pardons them.

They know, they are above the system, and if enough of them, are in places of power and just hold together, it will be damned hard to get them off it.

All Trump has to do, is make a semi decentish enough arguement for why hes not vacateing the seat.
And his 40% or so base, will be enough that the remaning 60% that want to see him gone, probably cant.

In 1932, hitlers NSDAP party had 30,1% of the vote, with another party or two going along with him, they took power.
The point is, after they wanted him gone, they couldn't. Even though only 30% of the public perphaps supported the nazi's it was enough.

None of that answers my questions, if everyone in power supports trump, why are we not already a dictatorship and why are we having an election? This is also why your comparison to Hitler is flawed, both got elected, but only one actually turned their government fascist.

Like we're really going to uproot values we've maintained for 200+ years overnight for this snake of a man. It absolutely will not be as easy as you make it sound, there will be another civil war before we can ever become a dictatorship. Not everyone who votes for Trump is so infatuated with him that they'll give up their values and rights, so the number against him will be far more than the voting percentage.

Rome wasn't buildt in a day.
It appears hes working towards something like it, maybe he just needs another 4 years?

Also who says you are? Maybe its rigged as trump says? (just by him) (so your only haveing one in name)
Maybe your not, trump seems to want it cancelled until its safe to go vote (potentially years away, virus could be here awhile)



Rab said:
sundin13 said:

"We are just going to kick people out on the streets. That is Nancy Pelosi's plan, that is Donald Trump's plan."

But that isn't exactly true, is it?

The House (which you will recall is within Nancy Pelosi's purview) passed the HEROES Act back in May, which included hundreds of billions of dollars for housing and homelessness programs and extended the moratorium.

From the National Low Income Housing Coalition:

"Thanks to all of your advocacy and the support of our congressional champions, the proposal includes all of our top priorities, including $100 billion in emergency rental assistance through the “Emergency Rental Assistance Act and Rental Market Stabilization Act,” an additional $11.5 billion to prevent and respond to outbreaks among people experiencing homelessness, and a national, uniform moratorium on evictions for all renters. The bill also includes funding for 100,000 new emergency housing vouchers, $5 billion for Community Development Block Grants, more than $300 million for rural rental assistance, and additional funding for public housing and other HUD housing providers to help cover increased costs and adjust rental assistance for households with decreased incomes."

The House also passed the Emergency Housing Protections and Relief Act in June, which too included hundreds of billions of dollars for housing and extended the moratorium:

"[This bill] allocates $100 billion to emergency rental assistance programs, creates a $75 billion relief fund for homeowners and extends the eviction and foreclosure moratorium put in place by the CARES Act through March 2021"

Both of these bills went to the Senate and did not see debate.

Additionally, bills were introduced in the Senate, such as the Protecting Renters from Evictions and Fees Act proposed by Elizabeth Warren, which sought to extend the moratorium on evictions and extend it to cover all renters. This bill did not pass.

I'm kind of tired of people drawing these false equivalencies between the Democrats and the Republicans... Your video goes so far as to say that the reason this is happening is because people are voting Democrat. Honestly, fuck that guy. This shit would have passed months ago if the Democrats had control of the Senate.

These far-left "the democrats are evil" whingers are nothing more than pathetic grifters, who are doing nothing but telling progressives that it is their moral imperative to support Donald Trump. Him and his ilk can kindly go fuck themselves.

You must be living in lala land if you think the Est Dems are doing much of anything to help people, particularly the working poor, one example is M4A which they have fought against tooth and nail let alone student fees and pharmaceutical price hikes, the Est Dems like the Est Reps want the status quo to continue and support the military industrial complex, wall street and big business over small business and workers   

If you keep believing their BS your not one to be convinced, this shite has gone on too long for ignorance to be the reason 

As much as I support M4A, it isn't the only thing that exists in the universe. It isn't even the only healthcare plan which would provide a large amount of benefit relative to our current system. This "both sides" viewpoint only exists by blurring your eyes to the very real and very important differences between the two parties. The dems are not the same as the republicans. Period. The Dems in fact proposed multiple bills which would provide a large benefit in regards to the Housing crisis. The Republicans refused to even debate them.

Stop with these meaningless and ignorant false equivalencies. There are problems with the Democratic Party, but the only thing you accomplish by falsely yelling that both parties are the same, is another four years of Donald Trump (and to say that is fine as a means to an end I can only assume comes from a place of privileged as many have suffered under his policies these last four years, and through his judicial appointments, will likely continue to suffer for decades). Not voting blue isn't going to help anyone. That is a big part of why we are in this problem in the first place. Young progressives don't vote in high enough numbers, so they fail to elect their primary candidates and they fail to demonstrate to the party that they can be a valuable asset. Not voting just proves the "establishment" right and grifters like this are either so eager for that righteous indignation dollar that they sacrifice their integrity or have simply lost the plot.