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Are the US still a democracy or has it devolved into something else?

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Runa216 said:
Machiavellian said:

None of that stuff matter because the people that support Trump believe just as strong as you disbelieve he is doing a great job and that he is what the nation has needs.  I have a a bunch of Trump supporters who I know and see their post on Facebook all the time.  I have questioned them on these very subject and they have dismissed them all. They believe its the media fault that concentrate on all his negatives but never his positives.  They actually seem to blame everyone but Trump for anything which is a special gift he must have.  If only Eric was still around to bounce some stuff off and get one of those crazy analogies.

Care to tell us some positives? Because in 4 years I've been asking for an example and haven't gotten any real answers that weren't falsehoods, logical fallacies, or outright boasting about bad things he did. The fact that you're willing to excuse all these provably bad behaviours in order to continue to support him shows a lot about what you value and I sincerely hope you'll grow out of it or you'll be shown to be the minority and not have any real political sway in the future. 

Lol, this must be the first time you have read a post of mine concerning President Trump.  I will oblige you and give you the positives that Trump supporters see in the President.  First is that he actually have tried to accomplish the things he campaign for even the most stupid, prejudice or immature.  If you notice, Trump continue to do and say things that target his political base.  He went after China, appears to go after the media and dems.  Appointed conservative judges, Tax cuts.  Has made statements and give the appearance of US first.  There are a host of other stuff but I do not want to go that far into the little things.  The key point is people see what they want to see and Trump is pretty good at getting to the base level for his supporters and detractors.  You view his behavior as bad but the people who support Trump see it as owning the Dems/liberals.  President Trump is what you consider a feedback bump from 8 years of Obama.  White America could really only take such a jump to a minority President for so long before the feedback kicked in.  Then running against a woman who was already soften by GOP interest gave us Trump.  His brand could only stand but so long before the covers are pulled away and his true self which I might add was never hidden was completely expose.  While Trump base is pretty loyal they really do not make up enough Americans to win a second term but who knows, just like any sport, an upset definitely can happen and this case happen twice.  Bidden definitely isn't a strong candidate but he doesn't have all the baggage as Hillary has so it should be interesting.  It also would be interesting if the Polls keep showing Bidden with a blowout advantage if Trump continues or find someway to bow out as his ego really cannot take a crushing loss. 



Machiavellian said:
Runa216 said:

Care to tell us some positives? Because in 4 years I've been asking for an example and haven't gotten any real answers that weren't falsehoods, logical fallacies, or outright boasting about bad things he did. The fact that you're willing to excuse all these provably bad behaviours in order to continue to support him shows a lot about what you value and I sincerely hope you'll grow out of it or you'll be shown to be the minority and not have any real political sway in the future. 

Lol, this must be the first time you have read a post of mine concerning President Trump.  I will oblige you and give you the positives that Trump supporters see in the President.  First is that he actually have tried to accomplish the things he campaign for even the most stupid, prejudice or immature.  If you notice, Trump continue to do and say things that target his political base.  He went after China, appears to go after the media and dems.  Appointed conservative judges, Tax cuts.  Has made statements and give the appearance of US first.  There are a host of other stuff but I do not want to go that far into the little things.  The key point is people see what they want to see and Trump is pretty good at getting to the base level for his supporters and detractors.  You view his behavior as bad but the people who support Trump see it as owning the Dems/liberals.  President Trump is what you consider a feedback bump from 8 years of Obama.  White America could really only take such a jump to a minority President for so long before the feedback kicked in.  Then running against a woman who was already soften by GOP interest gave us Trump.  His brand could only stand but so long before the covers are pulled away and his true self which I might add was never hidden was completely expose.  While Trump base is pretty loyal they really do not make up enough Americans to win a second term but who knows, just like any sport, an upset definitely can happen and this case happen twice.  Bidden definitely isn't a strong candidate but he doesn't have all the baggage as Hillary has so it should be interesting.  It also would be interesting if the Polls keep showing Bidden with a blowout advantage if Trump continues or find someway to bow out as his ego really cannot take a crushing loss

He already seems resigned to be losing the election, if his latest appearances (especially with Hannity) are any indication.



Machiavellian said:
Runa216 said:

Care to tell us some positives? Because in 4 years I've been asking for an example and haven't gotten any real answers that weren't falsehoods, logical fallacies, or outright boasting about bad things he did. The fact that you're willing to excuse all these provably bad behaviours in order to continue to support him shows a lot about what you value and I sincerely hope you'll grow out of it or you'll be shown to be the minority and not have any real political sway in the future. 

Lol, this must be the first time you have read a post of mine concerning President Trump.  I will oblige you and give you the positives that Trump supporters see in the President.  First is that he actually have tried to accomplish the things he campaign for even the most stupid, prejudice or immature.  If you notice, Trump continue to do and say things that target his political base.  He went after China, appears to go after the media and dems.  Appointed conservative judges, Tax cuts.  Has made statements and give the appearance of US first.  There are a host of other stuff but I do not want to go that far into the little things.  The key point is people see what they want to see and Trump is pretty good at getting to the base level for his supporters and detractors.  You view his behavior as bad but the people who support Trump see it as owning the Dems/liberals.  President Trump is what you consider a feedback bump from 8 years of Obama.  White America could really only take such a jump to a minority President for so long before the feedback kicked in.  Then running against a woman who was already soften by GOP interest gave us Trump.  His brand could only stand but so long before the covers are pulled away and his true self which I might add was never hidden was completely expose.  While Trump base is pretty loyal they really do not make up enough Americans to win a second term but who knows, just like any sport, an upset definitely can happen and this case happen twice.  Bidden definitely isn't a strong candidate but he doesn't have all the baggage as Hillary has so it should be interesting.  It also would be interesting if the Polls keep showing Bidden with a blowout advantage if Trump continues or find someway to bow out as his ego really cannot take a crushing loss. 

I didn't ask for 'what his supporters like', because lynching black people is something that KKK supporters approve of. I mean, what has he actually done to make the country great again? 

Going after the Dems is just bipartisan hackery

Going after China is just stupid and undiplomatic

His quests were immature in the first place, succeeding or attempting to succeed is still bad

Going after the media is unequivocally bad and shows how immature and insecure he is. It's also one of the first signs of fascism

"appointing conservative judges" is terrible, that's how we get things like reversals on human rights and progressive ideals

Tax cuts? hah! Dude, money's not the most important thing. He just made his rich friends rich at the cost of public systems

When has US ever not been US first? Also, that's not how you do diplomacy. He sucks at his job if he blatantly declares 'I come first' with every ally.

Literally none of the things you listed are good for your country, and this 'if Obama did it, it's bad' mentality shows just how immature he is. HE is bad for the country, literally everyone that isn't a US republican agrees on this point. So I ask again, what good has he ACTUALLY done for the country, not just pleasing his fervent fanbase? 



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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Machiavellian said:

Lol, this must be the first time you have read a post of mine concerning President Trump.  I will oblige you and give you the positives that Trump supporters see in the President.  First is that he actually have tried to accomplish the things he campaign for even the most stupid, prejudice or immature.  If you notice, Trump continue to do and say things that target his political base.  He went after China, appears to go after the media and dems.  Appointed conservative judges, Tax cuts.  Has made statements and give the appearance of US first.  There are a host of other stuff but I do not want to go that far into the little things.  The key point is people see what they want to see and Trump is pretty good at getting to the base level for his supporters and detractors.  You view his behavior as bad but the people who support Trump see it as owning the Dems/liberals.  President Trump is what you consider a feedback bump from 8 years of Obama.  White America could really only take such a jump to a minority President for so long before the feedback kicked in.  Then running against a woman who was already soften by GOP interest gave us Trump.  His brand could only stand but so long before the covers are pulled away and his true self which I might add was never hidden was completely expose.  While Trump base is pretty loyal they really do not make up enough Americans to win a second term but who knows, just like any sport, an upset definitely can happen and this case happen twice.  Bidden definitely isn't a strong candidate but he doesn't have all the baggage as Hillary has so it should be interesting.  It also would be interesting if the Polls keep showing Bidden with a blowout advantage if Trump continues or find someway to bow out as his ego really cannot take a crushing loss

He already seems resigned to be losing the election, if his latest appearances (especially with Hannity) are any indication.

It might be a cunning ploy to appear weak hoping turn out will be lower for Bidden because Polls suggest he has a big advantage.  We will see how things play out once the real campaign between the 2 get started.  I am looking forward to the debates between the 2 just to see how each handle themselves when faced with hopefully some tough questions.  



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Runa216 said:
Machiavellian said:

Lol, this must be the first time you have read a post of mine concerning President Trump.  I will oblige you and give you the positives that Trump supporters see in the President.  First is that he actually have tried to accomplish the things he campaign for even the most stupid, prejudice or immature.  If you notice, Trump continue to do and say things that target his political base.  He went after China, appears to go after the media and dems.  Appointed conservative judges, Tax cuts.  Has made statements and give the appearance of US first.  There are a host of other stuff but I do not want to go that far into the little things.  The key point is people see what they want to see and Trump is pretty good at getting to the base level for his supporters and detractors.  You view his behavior as bad but the people who support Trump see it as owning the Dems/liberals.  President Trump is what you consider a feedback bump from 8 years of Obama.  White America could really only take such a jump to a minority President for so long before the feedback kicked in.  Then running against a woman who was already soften by GOP interest gave us Trump.  His brand could only stand but so long before the covers are pulled away and his true self which I might add was never hidden was completely expose.  While Trump base is pretty loyal they really do not make up enough Americans to win a second term but who knows, just like any sport, an upset definitely can happen and this case happen twice.  Bidden definitely isn't a strong candidate but he doesn't have all the baggage as Hillary has so it should be interesting.  It also would be interesting if the Polls keep showing Bidden with a blowout advantage if Trump continues or find someway to bow out as his ego really cannot take a crushing loss. 

I didn't ask for 'what his supporters like', because lynching black people is something that KKK supporters approve of. I mean, what has he actually done to make the country great again? 

Going after the Dems is just bipartisan hackery

Going after China is just stupid and undiplomatic

His quests were immature in the first place, succeeding or attempting to succeed is still bad

Going after the media is unequivocally bad and shows how immature and insecure he is. It's also one of the first signs of fascism

"appointing conservative judges" is terrible, that's how we get things like reversals on human rights and progressive ideals

Tax cuts? hah! Dude, money's not the most important thing. He just made his rich friends rich at the cost of public systems

When has US ever not been US first? Also, that's not how you do diplomacy. He sucks at his job if he blatantly declares 'I come first' with every ally.

Literally none of the things you listed are good for your country, and this 'if Obama did it, it's bad' mentality shows just how immature he is. HE is bad for the country, literally everyone that isn't a US republican agrees on this point. So I ask again, what good has he ACTUALLY done for the country, not just pleasing his fervent fanbase? 

I believe you are not getting it.  Your opinion on these topics doesn't matter because Trump supporters see it totally different.  Not only do they see it different, every media they consume tells them exactly how to view and digest each of those points.  When you only watch or read information that confirms your personal bias, you never have to worry about pesky facts or opinions from different sources. 



Rab said:

Since the Dems winning in November is likely, and most feel Biden is a flawed candidate, what is the potential outcome in the next 4 years, how are the strongly left leaning youth and those that have had enough of the ineptitude of the Est Dems going to react over this time  

Krystal Ball explains what the Democratic party would look like under a potential Biden administration

She actually brought up a lot of great points, and assuming Trump continues to self destruct and hand the oval office to Biden I think her predictions will come through with the democrat Civil War after the common enemy (Trump) is gone. Young voters do not like or respect Biden and I think Biden is going to have a lot of trouble with this internal power struggle during his presidency assuming he wins.



Is Trump actively trying to look like a racist or is he just that freaking dumb? In either case, this is a big 'whoops'.



So Jeffrey Epsteins assistant/friend Ghislaine Maxwell has finally been arrested by the FBI. Many nervous powerful people out there right now.

So how many days before we get the news that she has died of covid-19?



The Assistant to the President, Director of Trade and Manufacturing Policy, and Policy Coordinator for the Defense Production Act, ladies and gentlemen:

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