Machiavellian said:
Well how do we humans converse if we don't put words and meanings to anything? I could use the word liberal from now on instead of lefty, but what about the liberals or libertarians, etc, who insist they are so different that they do not wish to be clumped in with the rest who have strayed so far to the left of center? Minority rules? If you 'let me' show you who I am, and I do and never let you down apparently, then you must know what I am, otherwise your statement makes no sense. If you know what I am and say I'm always an apologist, then who is it I am always apologizing for? Didn't you start out by saying you have no clue what I am?
Didn't I already point out in the last post that I didn't describe the interviewer as a lefty? So I somehow labeled him without actually labeling him? Did I or didn't I? Do you know what I'm about or don't you? If the interviewer was acting like a typical conservative Ben wouldn't have gone on the offensive. Since you're all about past instances to prove present points, where has Ben acted in this manner towards a typical conservative before? And no, the far right doesn't count. Again, a typical UK or EU conservative is not the same thing as a typical American conservative. Chips or gift doesn't mean the same thing over there as they do in America.
Just so I'm clear here. The 'conservative' interviewer is allowed to take an opposing position to 'push Ben into a corner' and make him show his 'true colors', and that's totally legit and is what happened, with no other potential reasoning, and yet the conversation we're having right now couldn't be the same, considering my initial point favored the interviewer? How sure are you?
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The thing is not the words you use its the total scope of your conversations that nails your outlook. You would never see it because you do not hear how you give meaning to the different groups. You say leftie and then what you say afterwards giving it context. Just like you do not say rightie but instead say conservative. If you do not notice the difference in context and how you delineated the different groups then you will always be blind to your own bias.
As to the interviewer, he is directly questioning Ben on what he stated in his book compared to statements he has made in the past. It's up to Ben to deal with his positions in the past to show how he has evolved into the person who wrote that book. Its not the interviewer portraying some opposing position, it's Ben being questioned is he actually grandstanding or does the rules apply to just everyone else but not to himself. The interviewer actually gave Ben a chance to give his own testimony on this evolution but instead Ben got angry and arrogant as if why should he be questioned on his position.
What Ben wanted was to be treated with kid gloves. As you stated, if the interviewer acted life a typical conservative Ben wouldn't have gone on the offensive. What you and Ben wanted is the echo chamber where people say what you want to hear and throw softball questions in your wheelhouse. Ben wasn't ready to be challenged and he was exposed. Ben may have stated he has made errors in the past but in reality Ben does not truly believe it. You can tell that when he admitted he made some bad quotes but then tried to justify it to the interviewer.
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Again, when I'm being specific and describing something a lefty would do, do you want me to say liberal and piss them off since I or they do not feel they should fall into that description? Should I call everyone on the right a conservative or does the far right, etc, require their own label?
If the interviewer isn't doing so in good faith why should Ben play ball? If Ben is going to point out things like he's being misquoted, and the interviewer doesn't care and just keeps on pushing, then Ben might as well just shut the conversation down because it's not longer a good faith conversation, if that was even the point to begin with, but is becoming a hit piece as it goes on. It seems that Ben isn't entirely convinced it was only meant to smear him, but he doesn't seem to think it was presented in a proper manner. I don't necessarily disagree.
I wouldn't say he wanted to be treated as the adult in the room, but he did seem to expect that going into it, since that's typically how it ends up. This interviewer knew what they were doing and did make Ben look foolish. The question is did the interviewer really care about what Ben thinks, or was he just looking to trip Ben up and took the time to carefully choose the questions and present them in a manner that would likely cause Ben to react as he did and get knocked down a peg or two?
Just because you're caught off guard once doesn't mean you're something you're not. When an army was caught of guard and was decimated because of it, did that mean it was a weak army, or could they very well have been one of the best, but some enemy with careful planning finally got the better of them? Has everything that army has accomplished up until now become meaningless since they lost once?
The most likely reason Ben has been fairly silent on it is because that's the best way to make it fade and quickly. It doesn't matter whether they caught him or he just had a bad interview, as far as he's concerned, if he keeps bringing it up it will constantly be thrown in his face by his opposition. Trying to reason with them will just make the situation worse for him no matter what he says going forward, no matter how legit it may be. Just letting it go for the most part is the smartest thing he could do, until he get's a shot at round 2, if he ever does.