jason1637 said:
Those definitions for cleared seem too brad and also the crimes are not specific so we don't know if the "clear" rate for gun specific related crimes. |
#TooBrad indeed.
That said, I don't really consider this to be a good argument. There has to be some logical reason why firearm homicides would be cleared significantly more than non-firearm homicides in order for this to really be a valid counter-point. This effect would have to be even more pronounced given that over 70% of homicides are committed with firearms.
Unfortunately, I don't really see any logic implying that trend and you haven't pointed out anything. If anything, due to how guns allow individuals to commit a crime without high participation in a scene (that is, there is often not a struggle or other evidence in firearm homicides), I would expect firearm homicides to have lower clear rates than other types of homicides.
Further, the discrepancy would have to be quite large in order to really have an impact on the discussion, because you were making the argument that unsolved gun crimes are not a large problem.
I generally refer to this argument as the "imperfect source fallacy", which basically says that while the source does provide valid information relevant to the topic at hand, because it does not specifically address every intricacy of the argument, it is invalid. It is a poor argument because it refuses to apply logic to the situation in order to make reasoned inferences and basically attempts to shut down an argument without providing any actual rebuttal.
jason1637 said: 1. If there was a background check the shooting probably would have not happened in teh first place so there is no need for a gun registry. 2.If the shooter got away they probably took the gun with them and if they left it you could look at the dna on the weapon to find who they are. No I don't think if someone sold a gun is valuable information since they didn't do the actual shooting. |
That isn't how background checks work.
Also, I'll ask you again, do you know how likely it is for a usable DNA profile to be developed from a firearm?