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What would a Switch Pro be?

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zorg1000 said:
curl-6 said:

The thing is though, if they make Switch 2 backwards compatible, they lose their chance to rip off consumers by making every second Switch 2 release just a rehashed full-price Switch 1 game at a higher res. I can see them axing back compat for this reason alone.

Not true, Wii had backwards compatibility with Gamecube and it still had Metroid Prime 1 &  2, Pikmin 1 & 2, Donkey Kong Jungle Beat and Mario Power Tennis ported to it.

Guess there really is no way to check greed and laziness.



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curl-6 said:
zorg1000 said:

Not true, Wii had backwards compatibility with Gamecube and it still had Metroid Prime 1 &  2, Pikmin 1 & 2, Donkey Kong Jungle Beat and Mario Power Tennis ported to it.

Guess there really is no way to check greed and laziness.

As long as consumers show they are willing to buy them than there is nothing greedy or lazy about it, they are literally giving the people what they want.



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zorg1000 said:
curl-6 said:

Guess there really is no way to check greed and laziness.

As long as consumers show they are willing to buy them than there is nothing greedy or lazy about it, they are literally giving the people what they want.

It's still lazy to just re-release last gen's games instead of making new content and it's still greedy to charge full price for them. Most consumers are just too stupid to know when they're being ripped off.



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curl-6 said:
Pemalite said:

Yeah it is. But the same held true to the Tegra X1 (Tegra Drive CX/PX) and X2 (Tegra Drive PX2).
Tegra can scale upwards and downwards fairly well in power consumption... Tegra X1 and Tegra X2 were 20w parts in the "drive' configuration, where-as Xavier is 30w... And Tegra X1 was still forced to scale downwards for the Switch anyway.

But... In saying that, it is a massive chip, so it would likely benefit from being fabbed at 7nm which will solve the bulk of issues anyway... But the real benefit would be the big uptick in bandwidth plus a more modern and efficient GPU architecture.

I see, thanks. So when is 7nm fab expected to be up and running?

And if Xavier is a 50% increase over the X2 in power and X2 is 50% stronger than the X1, would we be talking about 2.25 times the performance of the X1 in a mobile configuration? And would the claimed 127GB/s of bandwidth be viable in a mobile version, or would that have to be dialled back?

7nm fabs are up and running now, nVidia just needs to work with TSMC and bring the design over. (Not as simple as it sounds sadly.)

Yeah. Easy doubling in performance with lowered clocks+voltages+binning over the X1 at the same TDP.

On the bandwidth front, I would assume Nintendo would make a few cut backs there, Half of 137GB/s is still a respectable 68.5GB/s of bandwidth, which is still a substantial increase over the current Switch.



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Pemalite said:
curl-6 said:

I see, thanks. So when is 7nm fab expected to be up and running?

And if Xavier is a 50% increase over the X2 in power and X2 is 50% stronger than the X1, would we be talking about 2.25 times the performance of the X1 in a mobile configuration? And would the claimed 127GB/s of bandwidth be viable in a mobile version, or would that have to be dialled back?

7nm fabs are up and running now, nVidia just needs to work with TSMC and bring the design over. (Not as simple as it sounds sadly.)

Yeah. Easy doubling in performance with lowered clocks+voltages+binning over the X1 at the same TDP.

On the bandwidth front, I would assume Nintendo would make a few cut backs there, Half of 137GB/s is still a respectable 68.5GB/s of bandwidth, which is still a substantial increase over the current Switch.

A slight-more-than-doubling of horsepower and bandwidth sounds like a pretty good deal for a mid-gen Switch Pro; higher res in games with adaptive resolution, less slowdown in GPU/bandwidth bound games.

Would there be compatibility issues though, I mean Tegra Xavier is Volta right, would base Switch games have any Maxwell-specific stuff that wouldn't translate directly?

Also would a 2020 release for such a revision be viable or is that too early?



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curl-6 said:
zorg1000 said:

As long as consumers show they are willing to buy them than there is nothing greedy or lazy about it, they are literally giving the people what they want.

It's still lazy to just re-release last gen's games instead of making new content and it's still greedy to charge full price for them. Most consumers are just too stupid to know when they're being ripped off.

Is it lazy to rerelease old movies onto Blu-Ray for full price with no new content instead of making brand new movies?

Also, it's not instead of, it's in addition to. Nintendo porting Mario Kart 8 to Switch allowed that team to make a new IP in ARMS, porting NSMBU allowed that team to make Mario Maker 2

Same goes for other publishers. Porting old entries in Mega Man, Resident Evil, Street Fighter, etc did not prevent Capcom from releasing games like Monster Hunter World, Resident Evil 7, Devil May Cry, etc.

Releasing previous gen games on a current platform let's people replay games they enjoy or play games that they are interested in but never had the chance to play.



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zorg1000 said:
curl-6 said:

It's still lazy to just re-release last gen's games instead of making new content and it's still greedy to charge full price for them. Most consumers are just too stupid to know when they're being ripped off.

Is it lazy to rerelease old movies onto Blu-Ray for full price with no new content instead of making brand new movies?

Also, it's not instead of, it's in addition to. Nintendo porting Mario Kart 8 to Switch allowed that team to make a new IP in ARMS, porting NSMBU allowed that team to make Mario Maker 2

Same goes for other publishers. Porting old entries in Mega Man, Resident Evil, Street Fighter, etc did not prevent Capcom from releasing games like Monster Hunter World, Resident Evil 7, Devil May Cry, etc.

Releasing previous gen games on a current platform let's people replay games they enjoy or play games that they are interested in but never had the chance to play.

It's still diverting manpower away from the creation of fresh new content though. A company ultimately only has so many employees and studios.



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Pemalite said:
curl-6 said:

Isn't Tegra Xavier designed for cars though, not for mobile devices?

From what I've read the thing sucks 30 watts, far too much for a portable system.

Yeah it is. But the same held true to the Tegra X1 (Tegra Drive CX/PX) and X2 (Tegra Drive PX2).
Tegra can scale upwards and downwards fairly well in power consumption... Tegra X1 and Tegra X2 were 20w parts in the "drive' configuration, where-as Xavier is 30w... And Tegra X1 was still forced to scale downwards for the Switch anyway.

But... In saying that, it is a massive chip, so it would likely benefit from being fabbed at 7nm which will solve the bulk of issues anyway... But the real benefit would be the big uptick in bandwidth plus a more modern and efficient GPU architecture.

Well those had a maximum TDP of 7.5-15W. And Nintendo had to drastically lower the clock speed to not suck the battery dry in an instant on the 15W X1 already, and not even docked does it run at full speed.

The X2 possibly could run at full speed (or near full speed at least) as it's less consuming that the X1. In fact, if it can run at full speed docked (Denver cores deactivated), then the Switch would be at more than half performance of the XBO.

But Xavier would need to be clocked down so much I don't know if that's even worth it anymore. Unless most of those 30W would come from the Tensor cores (can be deactivated) or NVidia wants to Die-shrink Xavier (which I both seriously doubt), I fear Xavier doesn't make too much sense.



curl-6 said:
zorg1000 said:

Is it lazy to rerelease old movies onto Blu-Ray for full price with no new content instead of making brand new movies?

Also, it's not instead of, it's in addition to. Nintendo porting Mario Kart 8 to Switch allowed that team to make a new IP in ARMS, porting NSMBU allowed that team to make Mario Maker 2

Same goes for other publishers. Porting old entries in Mega Man, Resident Evil, Street Fighter, etc did not prevent Capcom from releasing games like Monster Hunter World, Resident Evil 7, Devil May Cry, etc.

Releasing previous gen games on a current platform let's people replay games they enjoy or play games that they are interested in but never had the chance to play.

It's still diverting manpower away from the creation of fresh new content though. A company ultimately only has so many employees and studios.

How much manpower/resources did games like MK8D or NSMBUD take away? Like I said, both of the teams also released brand new games a few months later so best case scenario we are looking at ARMS & Mario Maker releasing slightly sooner if those ports weren't released.

What is better, Mario Kart Deluxe in April followed by ARMS in June or just ARMS in April? How about Super Mario Deluxe in January followed by Mario Maker 2 in June or just Mario Maker 2 in March?

You also said people are too dumb to know they are getting ripped off but I'll give you my reason for rebuying those 2 games. I bought a Wii U in Spring of 2014, NSMB was bundled and I also picked up MK8 along with it.

4 years later i no longer own a Wii U but my 2 oldest kids are now 4 & 6 and are really getting interested in gaming and always want to play with me so I picked up MK8D & NSMB because those 2 games are a perfect introduction to gaming for young kids and we can all 3 play together at the same time.

Would you say that I was ripped off by having to pay full price to for 2 games that have given me dozens of hours of fun with my kids and let us bond over a common interest?



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

zorg1000 said:
curl-6 said:

It's still diverting manpower away from the creation of fresh new content though. A company ultimately only has so many employees and studios.

How much manpower/resources did games like MK8D or NSMBUD take away? Like I said, both of the teams also released brand new games a few months later so best case scenario we are looking at ARMS & Mario Maker releasing slightly sooner if those ports weren't released.

What is better, Mario Kart Deluxe in April followed by ARMS in June or just ARMS in April? How about Super Mario Deluxe in January followed by Mario Maker 2 in June or just Mario Maker 2 in March?

You also said people are too dumb to know they are getting ripped off but I'll give you my reason for rebuying those 2 games. I bought a Wii U in Spring of 2014, NSMB was bundled and I also picked up MK8 along with it.

4 years later i no longer own a Wii U but my 2 oldest kids are now 4 & 6 and are really getting interested in gaming and always want to play with me so I picked up MK8D & NSMB because those 2 games are a perfect introduction to gaming for young kids and we can all 3 play together at the same time.

Would you say that I was ripped off by having to pay full price to for 2 games that have given me dozens of hours of fun with my kids and let us bond over a common interest?

The combined expenditure of all the mountains of Wii U ports though could've expedited development of new titles.

I didn't single you out, I was referring to the fact that, as human beings, most consumers are idiots (as most people in general are idiots) and likely don't even realize they're being ripped off. The company exploits their ignorance.



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