haxxiy said:
uran10 said:
I think you're missing the point with Warren's fall. It was how she detailed her plan, but its because her plan sucks. I'm going to fight like hell for the public option then on year 3 for single payer? On top of that I'll add a regressive head tax into the equation. Sorry but no, you're having the entirely wrong takeaway from Warren's fall. M4A waffling then trying to answer the how do we pay for it with a terrible plan started it, then going after the most trustworthy candidate on a he said she said finished it. Especially since she's a known liar, she dug her own grave and really quickly too.
On the other hand, Bernie's M4A is straight forward, CHEAPER than our current system and he's already told us a million times how he'd pay for it so anyone trying to say "it'll bankrupt the country" either hasn't been listening or is a propagandist for the health industry.
People aren't looking for empty promises. They're looking to change the system that doesn't work for them. Trump ran as a populist and said he would do just that (drain the swamp). He didn't. He's become a swamp monster but if you put him up against another swamp monster, especially one with the record of Joe he'll win, with ease with the exact same strat. He's said it himself numerous times, hell he even admits in a secret recording that he's afraid of Bernie.
Anyway I've drifted off topic a bit. Bloomberg and Steyer are billionaires with essentially unlimited money to sink into ads. People are seeing those ads and are going "maybe one of them". They're essentially trying to buy the elections, that's how they're rising. Either way, empty promises isn't the way and unfortunately for americans, we've got a mainstream(corporate) media that just feeds us propaganda non stop and thankfully people are starting to see through it but not fast enough.
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Politics are the art of compromise. Sanders shows time and time again how fantastically poor his judgement is when it comes to the people around him, and the people he endorses or is endorsed by. He's worse than Trump in this regard, because at least Trump knew how to appease evangelicans and the republican base when it came to choose a vice-president, and I don't see Sanders ever doing the same.
Now combine that lack of goodwill with the political reality of dozens if not hundreds of elected officials in purple or light blue states, including senators like Brown, Manchin, Sinema etc Essentially nothing you believe it's going to happen will ever get through Congress. Warren at least had a plan to present something palatable to most interests involved, perhaps enough to get a vote through.
Of course, feel free to shout then that the estabilishment is keeping Sanders from using his magical wand, or that obscure corporate interests are sabotaging the presidency, all the way through a red wave in 2020 and someone like DeSantis coming for the presidential chair in 2022.
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Bernie's poor Judgement? He makes some dumb decisions now and again but his record is the complete opposite of bad judgement so I don't know where you're getting that from. Bernie Endorsing Cenk was not a mistake, his mistake was walking it back when Cenk asked him to walk it back. That showed weakness IMO but that's not poor Judgement. Getting endorsed by Joe Rogan isn't a bad thing either but I'm guessing you didnt' see his talk with Bernie and the comment section or his sub reddit after the endorsement did you? He's bringing in more independents than any other candidate in the race, you know the group that actually DECIDES THE ELECTIONS?
And nothing I believe will make it through congress because of DINOs(Democrats in Name only) right? Let me point you to Bernie's Mayor ship in Vermont. They did exactly what you stated and blocked everything he went to do, then he responded with the exact strategy he's said he's gonna do when he's president. Its simple, I'm the president, I'm popular, I have policies that everyone supports. You get behind me, or I will hold rallies in your state and primary you. Joe Machin isn't well liked in his own state, and Bernie won all of West Virgina. Every single County. If you think the public isn't behind Bernie and his ideas and wont jump up against whoever Dino or Republican try to block you're not paying attention to the movement. They'll have a choice. They're big donors or getting re-elected.
Warren was just "a player in the game" she wouldn't have rallied against or tried to whip Manchin into voting for anything she's proposing and he would have sat down and voted against just like when he told Schumer he can't make him do shit.
ALSO ONE OTHER BIG THING THAT YOU'RE IGNORING. Voter turnout. If you have an excited base, you get a high turn out. When you get a high turn out, Dems win. More people voted in the WV Primaries than the general election ffs. The only way you'll see a red wave in 2020 is if Biden, Warren or Pete win. They would depress the hell out of the dem voter base, but please go on about the guy with the most donors, most volunteers and the guy whose literally the most beloved senator and candidate in the race not being able to bring voters to the booth. Please go on.
