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Azzanation said:

So you would want Sony to spend almost half there Cash on hand for a Publisher/Developers that has the promise of making $6b in however long GTAV has been on the market for? (6 years) Small detail, that $6b is made from GTAV selling over 90m copies, and sorry to say that's not all on Sony's platform.
Google "GTA 5 has now sold over 90 million copies and generated over $6 billion in revenue since its initial release."

What's in it for Take-Two exactly here? With MS investing heavily in Xbox and its eco-system and PC and Nintendo's Switch being the hottest device on the market, you think Take Two don't see the possible venue on the other platforms? They make a fortune selling there games on everything not just 1 platform. So not only will Sony waste almost half there Cash on hand in just there gaming division, the income will be a lot less than what Take Two is making now so it will probably take 10 years for Sony to make there money back on Take Two's purchase.

Also Take-Two wont have to share there profits on there games.

So basically I am just asking the question here, What's in it for Take-Two?

If they were brought out the negatives are..

They have to cross there fingers that Sony's next platform is incredibly successful
The Income they make gets more divided
They limit there games to 1 or 2 platforms
They could possibly lose development freedom

I don't think you understand how "being bought" works.

And how is all that xbox and switch talk relevant? The real question here is if take-two are fixing or open t sell and if sony are willing to buy. Funy thing about things like these is that sony doesn't even have to use their "own money" if they really wanted to make a deal like this happen.

Having said all that, I think this is one of those empty rumors that has no stock. And I just don't see sony fixing to spend around $10B on a studio(s). Unless its a pre-emptive move which would mean MS was abut to buy them. This is a deal that would have meant more for MS than it would for sony.   



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duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Intrinsic said:
Azzanation said:

So you would want Sony to spend almost half there Cash on hand for a Publisher/Developers that has the promise of making $6b in however long GTAV has been on the market for? (6 years) Small detail, that $6b is made from GTAV selling over 90m copies, and sorry to say that's not all on Sony's platform.
Google "GTA 5 has now sold over 90 million copies and generated over $6 billion in revenue since its initial release."

What's in it for Take-Two exactly here? With MS investing heavily in Xbox and its eco-system and PC and Nintendo's Switch being the hottest device on the market, you think Take Two don't see the possible venue on the other platforms? They make a fortune selling there games on everything not just 1 platform. So not only will Sony waste almost half there Cash on hand in just there gaming division, the income will be a lot less than what Take Two is making now so it will probably take 10 years for Sony to make there money back on Take Two's purchase.

Also Take-Two wont have to share there profits on there games.

So basically I am just asking the question here, What's in it for Take-Two?

If they were brought out the negatives are..

They have to cross there fingers that Sony's next platform is incredibly successful
The Income they make gets more divided
They limit there games to 1 or 2 platforms
They could possibly lose development freedom

I don't think you understand how "being bought" works.

And how is all that xbox and switch talk relevant? The real question here is if take-two are fixing or open t sell and if sony are willing to buy. Funy thing about things like these is that sony doesn't even have to use their "own money" if they really wanted to make a deal like this happen.

Having said all that, I think this is one of those empty rumors that has no stock. And I just don't see sony fixing to spend around $10B on a studio(s). Unless its a pre-emptive move which would mean MS was abut to buy them. This is a deal that would have meant more for MS than it would for sony.   

If MS paid 2.5B for Minecraft no one can call Sony crazy for paying 10B on TakeTwo (but yes I don't think it is a soundy decision).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

https://venturebeat.com/2019/03/14/sony-kills-rumor-it-is-buying-grand-theft-auto-maker-take-two/

This started as second hand speculation that never should have made it past the stage 1 BS checks.



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DonFerrari said:
Some people have 0 idea on how business work.

There are plenty of times when a companies stock is way over or under valued, and it wouldn't be crazy to think with the high that Take Two is on, that they very well may be over valued at this point in time. Meaning if a buyout occurred, they probably wouldn't get all that much more for the company than what it's valued at now.

Depending on how the companies stock is divided, it's quite possible the individuals running the company may have very little control over whether or not they can stop the company from being purchased. There are literally hostile takeovers at times when one company buys up the overwhelming majority of shares of another and that's that.

This may or may not be the case, but I doubt Sony would take over Take Two if they didn't think it was a good idea to sell, yet anything is possible. I'd still guess it's unlikely but there are certainly good reasons why it would be a worthy purchase for SNY. Depends on what PS has planned for the future.



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Intrinsic said:

I don't think you understand how "being bought" works.

And how is all that xbox and switch talk relevant? The real question here is if take-two are fixing or open t sell and if sony are willing to buy. Funy thing about things like these is that sony doesn't even have to use their "own money" if they really wanted to make a deal like this happen.

Having said all that, I think this is one of those empty rumors that has no stock. And I just don't see sony fixing to spend around $10B on a studio(s). Unless its a pre-emptive move which would mean MS was abut to buy them. This is a deal that would have meant more for MS than it would for sony.   

Its not rocket science. If your company makes profits, and you don't have to share the profits with anyone than why the hell would you want to be brought out so the profits get divided? If Sony brought Take-Two than they will require a % of the profits. Take-Two make all the money they need and I highly doubt they need Sony or another company to help make them more, if anything they will make less under an umbrella. 

Xbox and Switch are platforms that Take-Two can make a fortune on which is why Take-Two are better being on there own because the potential market share they can gain is a lot bigger than being stuck on 1 platform. That's why they are mentioned here. You want to maximise your profits, than you need to see the industry as a whole not just tunnel vision. 

We are talking about a brand that makes there billions due to multiplatform freedom. So what part don't you think I understand? 

MS don't throw there money away unless they see potential fast gain return. Minecraft was considered one of there biggest purchases in there gaming division, the difference is Minecraft is like the 3rd best selling game ever made and continues to sell. Its a purchase with a very good return and MS keep it multiplat for that very reason. Sony wont buy Take-Two and keep there games multiplat which means its going to take a lot longer for Sony to make there money back especially when Rockstar make a game every 5 years.

Its just not a finically good business decision for a company like Sony, they aren't as big as many make them out to be. $10b is a lot of money and even though they have other options to purchase them, they need to hold onto there options as the industry is pushing into a direction where they have other services that need attending, not throw half of it away for 1 brand that already makes Sony money without the need of spending billions on them.



SpokenTruth said:
https://venturebeat.com/2019/03/14/sony-kills-rumor-it-is-buying-grand-theft-auto-maker-take-two/

This started as second hand speculation that never should have made it past the stage 1 BS checks.

Typically for a new gen ariving these rumors pass through those checks. :p



EricHiggin said:
DonFerrari said:
Some people have 0 idea on how business work.

There are plenty of times when a companies stock is way over or under valued, and it wouldn't be crazy to think with the high that Take Two is on, that they very well may be over valued at this point in time. Meaning if a buyout occurred, they probably wouldn't get all that much more for the company than what it's valued at now.

Depending on how the companies stock is divided, it's quite possible the individuals running the company may have very little control over whether or not they can stop the company from being purchased. There are literally hostile takeovers at times when one company buys up the overwhelming majority of shares of another and that's that.

This may or may not be the case, but I doubt Sony would take over Take Two if they didn't think it was a good idea to sell, yet anything is possible. I'd still guess it's unlikely but there are certainly good reasons why it would be a worthy purchase for SNY. Depends on what PS has planned for the future.

Yes I know it. My company when bought had like a 20% bonus on the share or less when they decided the price. When it gone for the stockholders to decide because the rumor spread out and stock evaluated the bonus was like 5%. They sold anyway because they expected the stock to fall in the short and middle term because the company had evaluated almost 100% in 2 years.

I'm talking more about bid war (on a deal that was secret before leak), sharing profits (when you are already making your profit and some on the sale) and other stuff.

And yes I agree it's unlikely to happen.

SpokenTruth said:
https://venturebeat.com/2019/03/14/sony-kills-rumor-it-is-buying-grand-theft-auto-maker-take-two/

This started as second hand speculation that never should have made it past the stage 1 BS checks.

Untill it is approved by companies they would deny anyway.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

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DonFerrari said:
Some people have 0 idea on how business work.

 

DonFerrari said:

If MS paid 2.5B for Minecraft no one can call Sony crazy for paying 10B on TakeTwo (but yes I don't think it is a soundy decision).

What an ironic 1-2 combo of posts.



Why is this still a thing? The rumor was DEBUNKED! Glad it's not happening anyway. Like others have said, it's best to keep this multiplat. Especially a developer/publisher of their caliber who already have strong followings on all platforms.



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