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Darwinianevolution said:
Who seriously expected the game to stay without them? They have become a staple of Activision's games. Next new Crash Bandicoot game will probably have them.

"Hello Activision customer support.... yeah I'm jumping on the crate but it just isn't breaking.... okay...... £1.99 to open them? no... just this crate? but it could have some lives in it or Fruit now? that's great, I'll take 200 crates plix!!"



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The “in game advantage” you’re referencing is bonus XP. Aka worthless. The “battle pass” you’re mentioning when you bring up monetization.... is free.

I’m not a fan of Activision or CoD but this is just angry Internet white noise. Gotta have something to bitch about.



Who here is an actual avid player for BO4? Because I play it a lot, and I can tell you that these loot boxes doesn't change anything nor give an advantage when I play (and from what I've read). It's really simple, you can either play a lot to earn free loot boxes or you can just buy them, granted buying them gives you more at a time but it's only fair since you buy them. I personally wont buy them and I will still continue to play the heck out of it.

Also some may think that the Season Pass isnt worth it, but personally the 4 extra zombie maps always provided me with +100hrs of extra zombie game time so I find that alone makes it worth it, and the extra MP maps are just bonuses.

If buying these loot boxes gave you a huge advantage of winning then yes I'd be against that, and if anything then it'd only be for the MP mode. Zombie mode you're on a team so loot boxes wont benefit, and Black Out mode everyone starts off with nothing and have to run around find whatever random weapons you get, so also wont benefit from loot boxes.

To those that complain about this, then you might as well complain about other things like buying Yugioh/MTG packs of cards in that you may have to spend a lot to get that rare card you want to have a better deck than your competitors. Or even in like Pokemon Go where you need to buy more raid passes if you're desperately trying to raid legendary pokemons to get a shiny etc... Is there a difference between those and loot boxes in games?

There's just so many other products is this world that pretty much follows this market strategy but on a different medium yet people just need to keep complaining about this particular one. At the end of the day nobody is forcing you to buy these things.  Correct me if I'm wrong but this is how I've been seeing it.

Last edited by V-r0cK - on 28 February 2019

V-r0cK said:

Who here is an actual avid player for BO4? Because I play it a lot, and I can tell you that these loot boxes doesn't change anything nor give an advantage when I play (and from what I've read). It's really simple, you can either play a lot to earn free loot boxes or you can just buy them, granted buying them gives you more at a time but it's only fair since you buy them. I personally wont buy them and I will still continue to play the heck out of it.

Also some may think that the Season Pass isnt worth it, but personally the 4 extra zombie maps always provided me with +100hrs of extra zombie game time so I find that alone makes it worth it, and the extra MP maps are just bonuses.

If buying these loot boxes gave you a huge advantage of winning then yes I'd be against that, and if anything then it'd only be for the MP mode. Zombie mode you're on a team so loot boxes wont benefit, and Black Out mode everyone starts off with nothing and have to run around find whatever random weapons you get, so also wont benefit from loot boxes.

To those that complain about this, then you might as well complain about other things like buying Yugioh/MTG packs of cards in that you may have to spend a lot to get that rare card you want to have a better deck than your competitors. Or even in like Pokemon Go where you need to buy more raid passes if you're desperately trying to raid legendary pokemons to get a shiny etc... Is there a difference between those and loot boxes in games?

There's just so many other products is this world that pretty much follows this market strategy but on a different medium yet people just need to keep complaining about this particular one. At the end of the day nobody is forcing you to buy these things.

Your example doesn't even compare :

1. Trading cards game had always the benefits of the physical value you get from the cards you buy and also the fact they can be actually sold back for money. Lootboxes on the other end no, they're just an amount of numeric data you unlock for a given amount without having the outright possession of it since you possess nothing on the digital side of thing, the compagny does however.

2. Pokémon Go is ... Free-to-play. COD is not.

Wanna imitate other free-to-play models ? You go free-to-play then. There's absolutely no excuse for them doing so then just pure scummery and greed, face it.



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V-r0cK said:

Who here is an actual avid player for BO4? Because I play it a lot, and I can tell you that these loot boxes doesn't change anything nor give an advantage when I play (and from what I've read). It's really simple, you can either play a lot to earn free loot boxes or you can just buy them, granted buying them gives you more at a time but it's only fair since you buy them. I personally wont buy them and I will still continue to play the heck out of it.

Also some may think that the Season Pass isnt worth it, but personally the 4 extra zombie maps always provided me with +100hrs of extra zombie game time so I find that alone makes it worth it, and the extra MP maps are just bonuses.

If buying these loot boxes gave you a huge advantage of winning then yes I'd be against that, and if anything then it'd only be for the MP mode. Zombie mode you're on a team so loot boxes wont benefit, and Black Out mode everyone starts off with nothing and have to run around find whatever random weapons you get, so also wont benefit from loot boxes.

To those that complain about this, then you might as well complain about other things like buying Yugioh/MTG packs of cards in that you may have to spend a lot to get that rare card you want to have a better deck than your competitors. Or even in like Pokemon Go where you need to buy more raid passes if you're desperately trying to raid legendary pokemons to get a shiny etc... Is there a difference between those and loot boxes in games?

There's just so many other products is this world that pretty much follows this market strategy but on a different medium yet people just need to keep complaining about this particular one. At the end of the day nobody is forcing you to buy these things.

My brother that I share my account with bought it and I’ve played Blackout and a small amount of MP. I think per usual most of the uproar is from people who haven’t played it and have no idea about how the ecosystem works. 

Its pretty funny, for years CoD was the franchise that even in its heyday was very hesitant to adopt some of the monetization avenues other franchises had, and now they seem to support literally all of them lol.



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Bofferbrauer2 said:
CaptainExplosion said:

Guess the AAA in AAA title must mean triple asshole.

Absolute Apeshit Assholes would be my guess

That works even better!! :D



Doesn't surprise me, pretty sure they did the same thing on some previous years. Said there would be no loot boxes, and then added them in a few months after release.



Mar1217 said:
V-r0cK said: 

Your example doesn't even compare :

1. Trading cards game had always the benefits of the physical value you get from the cards you buy and also the fact they can be actually sold back for money. Lootboxes on the other end no, they're just an amount of numeric data you unlock for a given amount without having the outright possession of it since you possess nothing on the digital side of thing, the compagny does however.

2. Pokémon Go is ... Free-to-play. COD is not.

Wanna imitate other free-to-play models ? You go free-to-play then. There's absolutely no excuse for them doing so then just pure scummery and greed, face it.

So you're saying its ok to have loot boxes as long as your game is free-to-play?

People say stuff like Activision and EA are 'greedy'.  Sure they implemented the tool to TRY and get more money out of you but who's decision is it to actually give them your money??  It's not them.

Am I missing something here?  Does loot box mean YOU MUST give them your money?  Like I said this doesn't change the game at all so how is this really affecting you or those that complain about it?  

In reality there's absolutely no excuse for anyone to complain about this period.  Nobody is putting a gun to your head to buy this lol 



LudicrousSpeed said:
V-r0cK said: 

My brother that I share my account with bought it and I’ve played Blackout and a small amount of MP. I think per usual most of the uproar is from people who haven’t played it and have no idea about how the ecosystem works. 

Its pretty funny, for years CoD was the franchise that even in its heyday was very hesitant to adopt some of the monetization avenues other franchises had, and now they seem to support literally all of them lol.

lol agreed!

Also I feel like those that complain are the ones that don't buy these loot boxes (which makes no sense why they would complain then), and those that do buy dont complain lol.



Mar1217 said:
V-r0cK said:

Who here is an actual avid player for BO4? Because I play it a lot, and I can tell you that these loot boxes doesn't change anything nor give an advantage when I play (and from what I've read). It's really simple, you can either play a lot to earn free loot boxes or you can just buy them, granted buying them gives you more at a time but it's only fair since you buy them. I personally wont buy them and I will still continue to play the heck out of it.

Also some may think that the Season Pass isnt worth it, but personally the 4 extra zombie maps always provided me with +100hrs of extra zombie game time so I find that alone makes it worth it, and the extra MP maps are just bonuses.

If buying these loot boxes gave you a huge advantage of winning then yes I'd be against that, and if anything then it'd only be for the MP mode. Zombie mode you're on a team so loot boxes wont benefit, and Black Out mode everyone starts off with nothing and have to run around find whatever random weapons you get, so also wont benefit from loot boxes.

To those that complain about this, then you might as well complain about other things like buying Yugioh/MTG packs of cards in that you may have to spend a lot to get that rare card you want to have a better deck than your competitors. Or even in like Pokemon Go where you need to buy more raid passes if you're desperately trying to raid legendary pokemons to get a shiny etc... Is there a difference between those and loot boxes in games?

There's just so many other products is this world that pretty much follows this market strategy but on a different medium yet people just need to keep complaining about this particular one. At the end of the day nobody is forcing you to buy these things.

Your example doesn't even compare :

1. Trading cards game had always the benefits of the physical value you get from the cards you buy and also the fact they can be actually sold back for money. Lootboxes on the other end no, they're just an amount of numeric data you unlock for a given amount without having the outright possession of it since you possess nothing on the digital side of thing, the compagny does however.

2. Pokémon Go is ... Free-to-play. COD is not.

Wanna imitate other free-to-play models ? You go free-to-play then. There's absolutely no excuse for them doing so then just pure scummery and greed, face it.

Also, you can buy or trade for specific cards, you can't do that with loot box items.