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KManX89 on 28 February 2019
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ArchangelMadzz said:
V-r0cK said:

But that's only with the help of other parties because you cant get specific cards from buying a pack of cards, just like you cant get a specific item from a loot box.

As for trading, well you can't do that with almost anything digital ie. digital games or movies.

The experience you get from buying a loot box is nothing new that we haven't experienced with other things in the world, so why do some people act like these loot boxes are the worst thing ever created? lol

Bold #1:  You're not missing anything if they give you free loot boxes, your chances of getting something from a free loot box is just the same as buying.  The only difference is that they gave "an option" for those that dont want to put in the time to earn the free loot boxes at a price.

Bold #2: So say like Fornite makes billions and billions of dollars simply because they started out free to play, while BO4 only makes hundreds of millions, does that mean Activision should not be allowed to try and make more money to get to Fortnite's level only because people bought the game already?

Bold #3: I'm not defending anything, I'm looking at this as a business point of view.  Is it really greed if ... 1) you still offer the same feature/items for free and 2) you provide an option to choose to buy them at a faster pace IF the consumer wants to.  If nobody is paying for these loot boxes then it's no harm, no foul.  And if Activision sees that nobody is buying then they know that nobody wants this anymore.  Another thing I'm curious to see is that Fortnite and Apex Legends are doing great as a free-to-play, makes me wonder as a business point would Activition provide their Black Out mode to be free to play in the future, or maybe their next Black Out game would be free to.  But if that happens then people would be ok for loot boxes?

Bold #4:  Yes we did pay upfront for the game.  And I was fully aware that I paid for what was said be in the game that I bought:  A MP mode with 14 maps and set of guns and skins, a zombie mode with 2 maps, a battle royale mode etc.  That is the 'premium'.  So why do some people feel entitled to receive more for free after they bought the game? Do you expect Activision to continue to spend the time and money to keep on making new maps, skins, weapons etc just to give for free?  These weren't promised and anybody that bought the game knows/should know that.

Granted just because one company may do it differently but doesn't mean all companies need to follow the same way. That's just business.

Ththing about loot boxes in games that you already pay for is that it changes the design of the game.

iYou can choose to not buy lootboxes but you cannot choose to not have them in the game. This matters because the existence of them negatively effects your gaming experience due to how the game is balanced against you to try to get you to buy lootboxes.

It's like that with all micro-transactions which is what makes them so annoying and anti consumer. For example the last gun to unlock in the tiers system would take 50+ hours to unlock without spending money. We already know this wouldn't be the case without micro-transactions and would probably take a couple hours max to unlock if you couldn't buy them.

Its just always annoying when someone says "you don't have to spend money" when it doesn't take much to realise just how much their presence alone affects the gaming experience.

It makes me miss the days when wll the cosmetic items etc you could just buy outright with money. But lootboxes make it so these things are more expensive. If theirs a new costume pack instead of selling it for £5 they can make the probability such that if someone wanted to get them all it could take up to or more than £50 to randomly get them all. It's a disgusting business practice.

(Wow the keyboard typing on this site on smartphones is broken as hell) . 

This. Games with microtransactions/loot boxes are often literally made to be a CHORE to play without paying for them. Look no further than NBA 2K18 and how much 2K/Take Two tried to squeeze additional money out of players in order to bypass the grind: 

It's more or less the same shit with BO4 with all the tiers it forces you to tediously grind through without paying to skip said grind. Saying "this doesn't change the game at all" and "nobody is holding a gun to your head" is pure ignorance.