If you don't have a HDR TV you really won't see any HDR. And HDR is just to have better colors, and I can tell you I have seem some great color schemes on some games.

Well, I would not discard 449/450, I'm only completely sure it won't be 399/400 xP

But you know what? Fine. 449 you also win.

By the way I just saw Nate4Drake post on your quote tree from before and he is talking about a rumor with specs basically exactly what I'm thinking about, lol.

PS5 gonna be a monster.

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Richard from digital foundry already said don’t be surprised if these new consoles have 24GB oh ram and he has reliable sources.

also 8GB being more than double PS4? Isn’t 5GB available to developers in the base system? And was’t PS4’s ram well above the PC average at launch (5 versus 2-4)?

Too low? 8GB is already more than double of what the PS4/Pro works with. There are way too many posters in here with "PC Gaming" mindsets. 12 GB reserved for video games/developers? That's batshit crazy and absolutely will not be the case... That's just dumb.

People in here need to stop thinking of the PS5 specs as if they were building a gaming PC. Like seriously, stop...

Back in 1994 and then in 2000 if anyone had come and said anything for $399 it would have been DOA. And now $399 (thanks to the 360 and the PS3 costing $200 more) is considered as entry level pricing.

I really think next gen we will see $499 consoles and I don't think it will be a problem. Mostly because I dont believe that the XB1 being $500 was why it did poorly. If yu really think abut it from the time it got diskinected it has mostly cost less than the PS4. 

How does everyone seem to forget that the PS2 released in march in japan first? r that the PS4 released in febuary in japan months after its western debut.

I agree with you on the timing though..... though I feel you are attaching to much relevance to E3....... simple truth is that its not what it used to be. And really what is it? A show where someone comes n stage and they show games that are live streamed? Well that can be done at any pint in the year. Especially not at a time when every other publisher is now having their own show....

Once upon a time E3 was Sony/nintendo/MS showing their games and sharing the third party publishers then the rest f the world having to wait abut a month for the news to hit magazines. Then that became waiting hours for news to hit websites. Now we watch them live..... and now we having almost every major publisher having their own show.

Not forgetting PS2, loved it. But Japan release and WW release are different things. Anyway that wasn't the important point =p

It isn't about putting much relevance to E3, it is just that if they were really going to reveal it around E3 time, there is no much point in making a specific event, that would cost more, have less expectations on what would be there (because if they said they would reveal PS5 there, then they would already be revealing it beforehand =p). Also don't forget they also pushed the PSX away from the calendar for this year, all indicates there won't be a reveal in 2019 unless Sony is trolling us.

Also I think it would be hard to have less then 3-6 months from reveal to launch because of 2 things, first it could piss off retailers like happened with Sega in the past and second leaks. If they informed retailers closed door it would eventually leak with today connected world (because not only a selected few retailers CEO would know it, since someone needs to make the orders and they can't really mask the system to hide the orders - unless of course they make a contract for initial shipments and then only one month before release input in the system) and it would also probably leak from manufacturing team. So all in all 6 months from reveal to release is more likely.

I dont really get what you are saying......

PS4 has 8GB of RAM and 5GB of that is reserved for Devs and 3GB for the OS.

I am also guessing you would have been among those that considered it bat shit crazy when rumors f the current gen consoles suggested they were going from having 512MB to having 4GB of 8GB of RAM.

Unless next gen consoles are not using GDDR6 RAM (which is pretty much ridiculous to think they won't) the lowest they can go and still have respectable bandwidth is 16GB. The primary package for GDDR6 are 16Gb chips. Look at it this way, look at the MB of the PS4/PS4 pro. There are 8 chips of RAM there. Now replace those 8Gb(1GB) GDDR5 chips with 16Gb(2GB) GDDR6 ad yu effectively have 16GB of RAM while only increasing cost by about 30% of what it would cst them t put that 8GB right now. And significantly less than what it cost in 2013. 

Not exactly! Extra colour is part of the equation... But the big benefit is actually contrasts... I.E. The difference between the brightest parts of a scene and the darkest parts.
In short, colour and contrast goes hand in hand to make "HDR".

10-bit and 12-bit colour can reduce allot of the colour banding in games and makes the images seem more realistic... But I would be kidding myself if I could actually tell a massive difference between an 8-bit FRC display and a native 10-bit display unless I got really close to the display to try and discern the differences.
..But the improvements over a 6-bit panel is stupidly substantial.

You really like risky bets, isn't it ? :D

 If you look at the "leak"/rumor, it's the same specs I gave at Option3, Only Base Model, $499, 12-14TF GPU, 24GB RAM.   Almost a day after, this leak came out with same specs...which is also your prediction :D     I said $499 for option3, but it might be easy $449.  The wait is almost over, the announcement is close. I'm curious to see if you will win the bet !

My mistake; I had it backwards.

But REGARDLESS....

The PS5 isn't going to have more than 16GB of RAM. And it isn't gonna have an SSD, and it isn't going to have a 3TB HDD...

I'd rather have 8GB of that RAM go to the PS5's OS/Functionality to ensure smooth and seamless interaction, than to have 4GB (12 GB for games) and run into the same lacking/laggy features that creep up on the PS4.

If devs for PS4 didn't complain about having 5GB of RAM for their games - I'm pretty sure they won't for 8GB either.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-22-ps4-pc-like-architecture-8gb-ram-delight-developers

I now it, I just didn't saw the point in making it technical, contrast, luminance, color level, etc... I have put it all under "color". But yes you are right, on a good painel you'll be able to differentiate much better the scope from dark to bright in some scenes that on SDR just seem plainly washed out or indistinguishable black.

But do you agree that HDR implementation doesn't have a considerable processing power cost/impact?

Okay, so now you agree 16GB RAM is actually reasonable? Glad we made some progress.

I don't think the slow(ish) UI on 8th gen consoles is a RAM issue. I'd guess its more of a CPU/optimization issue.

Developers were delighted by the RAM upgrade in 8th gen consoles because they were struggling with the little 7th gen had. They would probably be fine with 8GB to work with, but 12 to 16GB is relatively cheap now and is needed for great textures as games become more resource intensive.