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Metro Exodus going away from Steam has brought the worst from PC gamers. My view is based on comments of PC gamers on youtube videos from gaming news reporters on youtube such as YongYea and TheQuartering and more to Metro Exodus latest trailer itself as well as the news of previous Metro games being review bombed on Steam. I'm not talking about the entire PC community, but a chunk of them are doing this and they need to stop it.

Metro Exodus is available on a new store on PC which is free like other launchers. There are no additional costs to download Epic Games Store on PC and the game is essentally the same price as it was depending on region of course. The massive backlash to such a decision is in my view unprecedented because PC gamers already have several launchers installed. The popularity of Battle.net, Origins and Uplay on PC just tells publishers PC gamers do not mind multiple launchers if they are required for the games they want. Now suddenly its such a major issue to download another launcher, which a lot of people already have for Fortnite, because they don't want to buy games on different launchers? Is it worth missing a game just because its not on a launcher they like? While that is their call, calling for the boycott en masse for such minor inconvenience is apalling and shows entitlement.

These calls weren't civil about it. PC gamers have been saying nasty stuff about the game, comparing Deep Silver to the likes of EA and Activision when they wouldn't make a game like it and saying that they don't want this crappy game anymore, so they basically changed their tune and are calling the game crap when this same community was looking forward to it some weeks ago, much like a child does when he can't get something he wants. Except here its just a matter of using Epic Games Store to purchase it. There have been widespread calls to pirate the game on PC, these same people want more single player games but when one comes along with such love into its development they would not support it just because muh Steam. They wouldn't try it with a multiplayer game then wonder why third party publishers are after multiplayer and live services.

I've seen threats, possible harassment towards the developers for a minor inconvenience. I've seen people not wanting to support Epic just because they have a Chinese stockholder in the company and these people want to support Muricans. No wonder Americans have such a nasty image worldwide, American distributrors dominate the industry because the rest of the world aren't so nationalistic, if globally we took such a stance as these American nationalists a lot of American companies would go bankrupt. There is no need to be so uptight about which country you're benefitting, we can do it too but there is something called being considerate and rational.

Metro games being review bombed on Steam shows the entitlement of PC gamers. Good games getting bad reviews just because the sequel is not on the same launcher. Jesus Christ. I'm a PC gamer and this is why I don't like associating myself with this community, not every PC gamer is like this but a lot of them are toxic, on top of PC master race group which is probably just as toxic. Digital Foundry is filled with PCMR types and the comments section is horrific. Console gamers can be bad too, but never to this extent. This is one instance where I just cannot get behind gamers and agree with the media calling them out for being toxic and entitled.


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gergroy said:
I don’t really understand the big deal here... you have to go to a different store front. It’s like complaining that you have to go to Walmart instead of GameStop... but once you have purchased the game you own it and are done with the store... it’s on your pc...

It's even less impactful than that, as EGS is just as available as Steam and you don't have to drive an additional 30miles or sth.

In my opinion it's an unproportional reaction to a minor inconvenience and I have no empathy to spare for the ppl feeding the shitstorm. It's outrage culture.



gergroy said:
I don’t really understand the big deal here... you have to go to a different store front. It’s like complaining that you have to go to Walmart instead of GameStop... but once you have purchased the game you own it and are done with the store... it’s on your pc...

How about people look up the differences between the stores before saying such things it's even been posted 3 times before:

This chart doesn't even highlight that ES has no offline mode so you can't play the game if you're not connected online as well as ES' inferior refund policy which isn't even implemented yet.



gergroy said:
I don’t really understand the big deal here... you have to go to a different store front. It’s like complaining that you have to go to Walmart instead of GameStop... but once you have purchased the game you own it and are done with the store... it’s on your pc...
 Here's where this analogy breaks apart. If GameStop and Walmart offered the same game with the exact same features, sure. However, what happens if GameStop was offering you the complete package (all features, etc, etc...) and the Walmart version was a barebones copy of it (none of the additional features you expected to get). Not only does that drive become an inconvenience, but said drive won't net you the same thing you would have gotten at the other. 

And, as has been stated so many times now, that is a smaller part of the larger issue. Let's revisit this when GameStop tells you that they are no longer selling a game with all those features because Walmart bought out exclusivity to sell it just over two weeks before it launches and you will not get the game that was promised through GameStop because the Walmart version is missing:

  • Achievements
  • Broadcasting
  • Cloud Saves
  • fps Counter
  • Screenshots
  • Universal Controller Functionality
...to name a small few.

                                                                                                             

GOWTLOZ said:

Metro games being review bombed on Steam shows the entitlement of PC gamers. Good games getting bad reviews just because the sequel is not on the same launcher. Jesus Christ. I'm a PC gamer and this is why I don't like associating myself with this community, not every PC gamer is like this but a lot of them are toxic, on top of PC master race group which is probably just as toxic. Digital Foundry is filled with PCMR types and the comments section is horrific. Console gamers can be bad too, but never to this extent. This is one instance where I just cannot get behind gamers and agree with the media calling them out for being toxic and entitled.

It's no different to the entitlement of console gamers for a physical version. If publishers decide to only offer a digital version (or a few GB of the game have to be downloaded), it is also "only a minor inconvenience", but many console gamers will give bad reviews, even if the game itself is great.

A part of the Xbox-, PlayStation- and Nintendo-community is just as toxic... to the same extent. I really see no difference.



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So Steam is the only store that can ever exist to game on PC?

It’s the end of the world when PC gamers need to move their wrist a little and click on a different app to get into a game?

Maybe, I don’t know... get a console and become a peasant? Since that’s how it works there.

Never understood this kind of outcry. Such anger for what amounts to a few different mouse clicks.

PC gamers? Maybe we should change that to Steam gamers.




Hynad said:

1. So Steam is the only store that can ever exist to game on PC?

2. It’s the end of the world when PC gamers need to move their wrist a little and click on a different app to get into a game?

3. Maybe, I don’t know... get a console and become a peasant? Since that’s how it works there.

4.Never understood this kind of outcry. Such anger for what amounts to a few different mouse clicks.

PC gamers? Maybe we should change that to Steam gamers.

1. Who said this? 

2. Do you even know what the reason for all of this is? 

3. How does it solve anything? 

4. Yes, you clearly missed the whole point. It has been elaborate countless times already what the main issue is. Just go throw some comment like the one of CGI for example. Maybe you understand what this "outcry" is all about. 

Edit: you can also watch this here to know what is going on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoJx2Q_dR6U

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Reached PC master race level.

GOWTLOZ said:
Metro Exodus going away from Steam has brought the worst from PC gamers. My view is based on comments of PC gamers on youtube videos from gaming news reporters on youtube such as YongYea and TheQuartering and more to Metro Exodus latest trailer itself as well as the news of previous Metro games being review bombed on Steam. I'm not talking about the entire PC community, but a chunk of them are doing this and they need to stop it.

Metro Exodus is available on a new store on PC which is free like other launchers. There are no additional costs to download Epic Games Store on PC and the game is essentally the same price as it was depending on region of course. The massive backlash to such a decision is in my view unprecedented because PC gamers already have several launchers installed. The popularity of Battle.net, Origins and Uplay on PC just tells publishers PC gamers do not mind multiple launchers if they are required for the games they want. Now suddenly its such a major issue to download another launcher, which a lot of people already have for Fortnite, because they don't want to buy games on different launchers? Is it worth missing a game just because its not on a launcher they like? While that is their call, calling for the boycott en masse for such minor inconvenience is apalling and shows entitlement.

These calls weren't civil about it. PC gamers have been saying nasty stuff about the game, comparing Deep Silver to the likes of EA and Activision when they wouldn't make a game like it and saying that they don't want this crappy game anymore, so they basically changed their tune and are calling the game crap when this same community was looking forward to it some weeks ago, much like a child does when he can't get something he wants. Except here its just a matter of using Epic Games Store to purchase it. There have been widespread calls to pirate the game on PC, these same people want more single player games but when one comes along with such love into its development they would not support it just because muh Steam. They wouldn't try it with a multiplayer game then wonder why third party publishers are after multiplayer and live services.

I've seen threats, possible harassment towards the developers for a minor inconvenience. I've seen people not wanting to support Epic just because they have a Chinese stockholder in the company and these people want to support Muricans. No wonder Americans have such a nasty image worldwide, American distributrors dominate the industry because the rest of the world aren't so nationalistic, if globally we took such a stance as these American nationalists a lot of American companies would go bankrupt. There is no need to be so uptight about which country you're benefitting, we can do it too but there is something called being considerate and rational.

Metro games being review bombed on Steam shows the entitlement of PC gamers. Good games getting bad reviews just because the sequel is not on the same launcher. Jesus Christ. I'm a PC gamer and this is why I don't like associating myself with this community, not every PC gamer is like this but a lot of them are toxic, on top of PC master race group which is probably just as toxic. Digital Foundry is filled with PCMR types and the comments section is horrific. Console gamers can be bad too, but never to this extent. This is one instance where I just cannot get behind gamers and agree with the media calling them out for being toxic and entitled.


❌ BANNED: (multiple reasons and violating the deal) ~ CGI

Why do people generalize to such ridiculous degrees?  Do they not realize how absurdly ignorant it looks?  You're not making the groups you've singled out look bad, you're making yourself look bad for thinking a tiny slice of a group represents everyone.  

I mean, yes, you're absolutely right, Americans are so nationalistic that Sony and Nintendo completely bombed there.  Honda, Nissan, and Toyota sold like 7 cars combined in the U.S. last year.  It's so very sad, really.  Good job figuring that out from a dozen or so posts online.  

And "PC gamers," a vast demographic, you've reduced down to the few representatives who actually give a rat's ass about the "master race" thing while pretending that there aren't just as many console gamers every bit as terrible.  How does someone even pretend that with a straight face when you have "console warz" taking place constantly?  

Is it really that hard to think that perhaps you shouldn't judge millions of fucking people based on Youtube comments and forums that attract the most hardcore segments?



Didn't EA / DICE basically say the same thing to gamers with Battlefield V... "If you don't like it, then don't buy it!" Turns out gamers listened!

This is really dumb on the developer's part because isn't Metro's biggest install base on the PC? You're gonna refuse to release the latest installment on the biggest platform simply because people were upset about your exclusive online retailer deal?



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

Well the shit just hit the fan. Again.