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Bofferbrauer2 said:
SecondWar said:
I think its more based on economics. If Metro Exodus sells poorly on the PC then he believes that it would mean Metro 4 (or whatever) is then less likely to have a PC version. The lost profit arguement you use only works if the game actually turns a profit on the platform. If a potential boycott causes a loss then that's what they have to go off.

Honestly, I really don't get the fuss about Metro not being on Steam. Epic will be creamed if they didn't invest in their store when they're up against a competitor as dominant as Steam. Microsoft did the same in the early days of the 360 to try to syphon off some of the PlayStation base.

I don't want to have to use use yet another Launcher, especially not one with very dubious privacy and lacking in features to boot. And I'm by far not the only one with that feeling.

Honestly, if Epic wants to compete, they should do so by offering more and better features and deals compared to Steam, and not by trying to buy exclusivity, as that will only drive them away. Just see how "well" Windows store is faring, I know many who opted to buy an XBO just to avoid having to use it.

I do understand that the statement is based on economics, but my god, it would have sold well for sure (the previous ones did at least) without pulling out of Steam.But with that stunt, I'm not sure it can anymore. 3 of my friends played the previous games, but they will leave out this one out of spite for pulling out of steam at practically the last second.

Just to clarify, having read through this thread, I understand the 'fuss' (as I put it) a bit better now.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
SecondWar said:
I think its more based on economics. If Metro Exodus sells poorly on the PC then he believes that it would mean Metro 4 (or whatever) is then less likely to have a PC version. The lost profit arguement you use only works if the game actually turns a profit on the platform. If a potential boycott causes a loss then that's what they have to go off.

Honestly, I really don't get the fuss about Metro not being on Steam. Epic will be creamed if they didn't invest in their store when they're up against a competitor as dominant as Steam. Microsoft did the same in the early days of the 360 to try to syphon off some of the PlayStation base.

I don't want to have to use use yet another Launcher, especially not one with very dubious privacy and lacking in features to boot. And I'm by far not the only one with that feeling.

Honestly, if Epic wants to compete, they should do so by offering more and better features and deals compared to Steam, and not by trying to buy exclusivity, as that will only drive them away. Just see how "well" Windows store is faring, I know many who opted to buy an XBO just to avoid having to use it.

I do understand that the statement is based on economics, but my god, it would have sold well for sure (the previous ones did at least) without pulling out of Steam.But with that stunt, I'm not sure it can anymore. 3 of my friends played the previous games, but they will leave out this one out of spite for pulling out of steam at practically the last second.

Incidentally, don't you have the same issue with Origin? I know it did this back when it first lauched but as far as I can tell aren't all EA games still exclusive to that store? 



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CGI-Quality said:
KrspaceT said:
PC fans are thieves anyway. Frankly even if they stick to the consoles they will still pirate it the way they did to Breath of the Wild and countless other games they had no business having.

 Many, many PC fans don't do anything like this. No sense in defending a suicidal statement with a hyperbolic generalization.

Not to mention that Steam has probably done more to reduce piracy rates on PC than anything else.



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SecondWar said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

I don't want to have to use use yet another Launcher, especially not one with very dubious privacy and lacking in features to boot. And I'm by far not the only one with that feeling.

Honestly, if Epic wants to compete, they should do so by offering more and better features and deals compared to Steam, and not by trying to buy exclusivity, as that will only drive them away. Just see how "well" Windows store is faring, I know many who opted to buy an XBO just to avoid having to use it.

I do understand that the statement is based on economics, but my god, it would have sold well for sure (the previous ones did at least) without pulling out of Steam.But with that stunt, I'm not sure it can anymore. 3 of my friends played the previous games, but they will leave out this one out of spite for pulling out of steam at practically the last second.

Incidentally, don't you have the same issue with Origin? I know it did this back when it first lauched but as far as I can tell aren't all EA games still exclusive to that store? 

I'm not supporting EA, and as a result I'm not using Origin at all. My newest EA game is Dragon Age Origins. Same goes for any other publisher's launcher except Uplay (due to a gift, never bought anything there)

Steam ain't even my main Launcher, that's GOG since 2012 and the demise of Stardock Impulse (bought up by Gamestop, immediately stopped using it despite having been my main digital store until that point); I only started using Steam due to Kickstarter. Their codes and betas mostly used Steam, so I had to install it then. But apart from a handful games not available on GOG amd the Workshop, I rarely use Steam.



I agree, its business, if the market is not there on PC then why build for PC?
Its simple!



SecondWar said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

I don't want to have to use use yet another Launcher, especially not one with very dubious privacy and lacking in features to boot. And I'm by far not the only one with that feeling.

Honestly, if Epic wants to compete, they should do so by offering more and better features and deals compared to Steam, and not by trying to buy exclusivity, as that will only drive them away. Just see how "well" Windows store is faring, I know many who opted to buy an XBO just to avoid having to use it.

I do understand that the statement is based on economics, but my god, it would have sold well for sure (the previous ones did at least) without pulling out of Steam.But with that stunt, I'm not sure it can anymore. 3 of my friends played the previous games, but they will leave out this one out of spite for pulling out of steam at practically the last second.

Incidentally, don't you have the same issue with Origin? I know it did this back when it first lauched but as far as I can tell aren't all EA games still exclusive to that store? 

  Here’s the difference, EA’s games are EA’s games. That angle is 100% understandable. Snatching up a 3rd Party game just over two weeks from release (that has been available as a pre-purchase on Steam that entire time) is a whole other matter.



                                                                                                             

I don’t really understand the big deal here... you have to go to a different store front. It’s like complaining that you have to go to Walmart instead of GameStop... but once you have purchased the game you own it and are done with the store... it’s on your pc...



Metro Exodus going away from Steam has brought the worst from PC gamers. My view is based on comments of PC gamers on youtube videos from gaming news reporters on youtube such as YongYea and TheQuartering and more to Metro Exodus latest trailer itself as well as the news of previous Metro games being review bombed on Steam. I'm not talking about the entire PC community, but a chunk of them are doing this and they need to stop it.

Metro Exodus is available on a new store on PC which is free like other launchers. There are no additional costs to download Epic Games Store on PC and the game is essentally the same price as it was depending on region of course. The massive backlash to such a decision is in my view unprecedented because PC gamers already have several launchers installed. The popularity of Battle.net, Origins and Uplay on PC just tells publishers PC gamers do not mind multiple launchers if they are required for the games they want. Now suddenly its such a major issue to download another launcher, which a lot of people already have for Fortnite, because they don't want to buy games on different launchers? Is it worth missing a game just because its not on a launcher they like? While that is their call, calling for the boycott en masse for such minor inconvenience is apalling and shows entitlement.

These calls weren't civil about it. PC gamers have been saying nasty stuff about the game, comparing Deep Silver to the likes of EA and Activision when they wouldn't make a game like it and saying that they don't want this crappy game anymore, so they basically changed their tune and are calling the game crap when this same community was looking forward to it some weeks ago, much like a child does when he can't get something he wants. Except here its just a matter of using Epic Games Store to purchase it. There have been widespread calls to pirate the game on PC, these same people want more single player games but when one comes along with such love into its development they would not support it just because muh Steam. They wouldn't try it with a multiplayer game then wonder why third party publishers are after multiplayer and live services.

I've seen threats, possible harassment towards the developers for a minor inconvenience. I've seen people not wanting to support Epic just because they have a Chinese stockholder in the company and these people want to support Muricans. No wonder Americans have such a nasty image worldwide, American distributrors dominate the industry because the rest of the world aren't so nationalistic, if globally we took such a stance as these American nationalists a lot of American companies would go bankrupt. There is no need to be so uptight about which country you're benefitting, we can do it too but there is something called being considerate and rational.

Metro games being review bombed on Steam shows the entitlement of PC gamers. Good games getting bad reviews just because the sequel is not on the same launcher. Jesus Christ. I'm a PC gamer and this is why I don't like associating myself with this community, not every PC gamer is like this but a lot of them are toxic, on top of PC master race group which is probably just as toxic. Digital Foundry is filled with PCMR types and the comments section is horrific. Console gamers can be bad too, but never to this extent. This is one instance where I just cannot get behind gamers and agree with the media calling them out for being toxic and entitled.


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