Vega 10, of which Vega 64 and Vega 56 are based on, all have only 1/16 FP64 performance, including Radeon Pro, MI25 and Frontier Edition. Only Vega 20, which is the chip used in the MI50 and MI60 accelerator cards and most probably in the Radeon VII, has that 1/2 FP64 performance.

In short, no, it's not a GPU ported to 7nm with 4 CU removed for yields, but instead a re-purposed professional card that already comes in 7nm. It's minimum effort in so far that that halved the RAM, not doubled it,  and basically kept the speed at the same level as the MI60. And no, 1080Ti doesn't seem to be unbeatable at all by this card.

Not sure if I want to call Turing weak. It's weaker than it could be, sure, but it still handily beats everything else while at the same time introducing new and future oriented technology. In fact, I love that they're trying to start the RT revolution early. We might not be at a point where it can see widespread use or have hardware to properly support it but that's how new technology works. Compare it with the introduction of 4k and now 8k. It doesn't hurt to start things early when you know it will be inevitably be the standard in the future.

I wouldn't count that though because it's like saying consoles today are capable of 4k, they just don't have the hp to push it. Well then they aren't really 4k, so you bake in whatever is necessary to reach 4k as close and cheaply as possible.

Pro isn't true Polaris no, but it still makes the point that AMD can take upcoming tech and mold it into a present or even outdated design.

You would almost think with Nvidia pushing ray tracing this hard and making it clear that it's the next big thing in GPU tech, that when AMD announces a new architecture after this long with GCN, specifically called "Next Gen" (at the moment), and admitting they are focusing on ray tracing for their future products, that it would be a very strong indicator that it should be something designed around ray tracing, with efficiency taken more so into account as well.

If Navi is the last hoorah for GCN, and you've got next gen consoles around 2020 give or take, and Polyphony showing off GT Sport ray tracing on a SNY 8k display, it's hard not to think PS won't just use AMD's "Next Gen" arch. You would almost think the cost has to be more to try and create a hybrid out of Navi, so unless PS wants PS5 out late 2019 to early 2020, you have to wonder is it coming sooner than we think or are the Navi PS5 rumors incorrect possibly?

You aren't telling me anything new or arguing against any of my prior statements with this.

False. It is a GPU ported to 7nm with 4CU removed, which increases yields. - Radeon Instinct MI60 is based on Vega remember... And that has the full compliment of 64 CU's.
The cutback "die harvested variant" has only 60CU's. Aka. The Radeon Instinct MI50.

...And they are all based on Vega 64's technology which started life at 14nm. (And likely was tested at 28nm/20nm at some point during chip design.)

A Geforce 1080Ti has a likely chance to beat this card, remember... It sits around the same level as the Geforce 2080. 

Well. The thing is... Graphics Core Next is capable.

The real problem is... Accuracy. With low enough accuracy GCN could smash Ray Tracing rather easily, but then that introduces artifacts... Which is something nVidia has actually managed to solve by using various denoising algorithms to great effect.

I am hoping that Next-Gen has Ray Tracing in AMD's sights, they are going to need it by that point... But hopefully they make it more accessible to even low-end parts.

I hope all next-gen consoles use AMD's next-gen architecture, that's the ultimate hope... Having the last dregs of Graphics Core Next for the next-generation consoles isn't going to do the gaming industry any favors in my opinion... Even if a Hybrid approach is taken, it's still going to be better than the technology we have today.

Thankfully AMD has spent years developing their next-gen GPU architecture, so hopefully it's design is viable for Microsoft and Sony to leverage.

Right now, the RT cores don't do shit in the vast majority of the benchmarks. Turing is literally a blunder and the 2080 Ti or Titan RTX being the silver linings won't change the fact that Nvidia has an over-engineered architecture ... 

We don't even have an idea if RT will become the standard since not even D3D12 is the standard among AAA game developers and they NEED D3D12 if they want to do RT so as far as it being "inevitably be the standard" with enough lobbying from the outside parties (AMD, Intel, Microsoft and Sony) they could effectively kill adoption of RT altogether in the near future ... 

Nvidia has taken a big risk in baking RT to their silicon, almost as big as that time they were banking on G-Sync somehow becoming the standard ... 

Maybe yes, maybe no, IMO this is like this Eurogamer's leak about PS4 Pro, where it was stated in every line its non official, and all media took it as a given PR news from Sony. Sure, it is not all set in stone, but I prefer to operate on any data than some < next gen being >

All the info we got points to the Navi in PS5, and this alone will make it very special. Like everybody know Polaris, and no one give a fuck about Bulldozer. Listen they will not simply put high end AAA GPU in next gens, there will be semi-custom made laptopt-style APUS like we got already.

I sure both will aim for 399 launch model, so this time, the difference in power will be extremely important.

Sidenote - somebody stated earlier that MS and Sony are equal partners for AMD in console space, no they are not, this is totally diff than 2013s.

I know it. Kinda I know it that nobody can do a massive change in big tech in one year. Vega VII is a minimal effort from AMD, just 7nm die shrinks + 25% perf on watt gains, this all - if my thinking is spot on- this is all to make MS happy. Consoles are all bout that power/energy/price mix.

Look it from another side - nobody creates an infographic with the will to change it later. Something had definitely changed.

Well at the same time, you don't release a slide when you don't know if you're going to end up doing something, yeah.
It's very possible that 7nm was progressing faster than expected, and AMD decided to test it out with Vega.

"if my thinking is spot on"
That's one big if you've got there.

 The transistors are produced by TSMC or GlobalFoundries, not AMD/Nvidia. So i give it " higly unlikely" label.  More over, the latest AMD 14nm FinFet was co-produced by GF with Samsung to lower the costs., because more plants needed.

Not so fast, bro.

Sure, there is a big if here, but there is also the ground to defend my prediction.

I prefer to try and base all assertions on actual known factoids.

Navi is based on Graphics Core Next. That alone makes it very uninteresting.

I agree, they will not put a high-end GPU in the next gen consoles, but are you assuming that AMD's next-gen GPU architecture isn't going to have a mid-range offering?

AMD works with the fabs to choose the best transistors for their designs, not all transistors are created equal, some operate with lower power but sacrifice operational frequency.
AMD will often port an older GPU design to a new node in order to "test the fab waters" so to speak and learn about it's various characteristics, so that their next chips can take better advantage of it.

Many said the same thing about Ryzen in the Xbox One X... But I digress.

I suggest you wait for an actual announcement before trying to assert something as factual.