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Forums - Sales Discussion - Global Hardware 15 December 2018

Ganoncrotch said:
curl-6 said:

Holy smokes, Switch > PS4 + Xbone hardware combined.

Nintendo may have pissed away Jan-Oct this year but their holiday performance is insane.

aye outselling the competitions figures combined is a bit nuts, if you want to do some other combinations of the sales... consider 3DS and Switch sales together this week alone, 1.5million Nintendo devices in peoples hands over this week alone, any developer who has neglected putting their software onto Nintendo platforms this year have effectively halved their customer base for weeks like this one.

 

When you consider the amount of work which would go into a AAA game pushing for 4k textures and 7.1 sound and at the same time you have the Switch dancing back and forth between 720p and 1080p with ports of games like Doom running sub 720p as a handheld I do think this is sending a message that while some people consider 144hz and 4k to be the best things about gaming... it's rather clear from the sales figures that those gamers are most certainly in the minority as if you just compare the 3ds and X1... it would require 2 in ever 5 X1 systems sold to be the X1X or else it would mean that more gamers picked the 240p handheld system than "the most powerful 4k console".

Does introduce one issue though and that is companies like EA and Activision have used the reasoning that increased costs for newer game engines and higher resolution textures and effects are the reasons for seeing heavy monitization in already insanely overpriced games when you look at special editions of some titles being well into 3 figures, but how are they to justify those extra costs when it comes to creating titles for the Switch, just food for thought since it's fairly obvious that the little systems success will mean an increase of interest towards bringing software to the owners of the device, why would a company pump extra assets into taking a 1080p title to 4k for those niche users on Pro/X when you could invest less to strip that same title down to 720p instead and put it on the system which just sold a million and a quarter units this week.

Switch is a handheld that so far has almost all Nintendo franchises released + it's Smash month + it's got Pokemon and will get a Pokemon mainline game. That explains the number of sales. It's just Nintendo doing the same thing, with the same games, the only difference now is that most gamers have already bought a PS4/X1 so they have time and money to invest on a NSW.

And 3rd parties usually don't sell that good on Nintendo, so many developers are not exactly losing that much avoiding Nintendo.



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My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

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OTBWY said:
CrazyGPU said:

I don't see any big turnarround. It's just Nintendo is smartly selling a mobile device with TV connection as a home console with portability. As  a mobile device they won Japan and its good as a present for kids in USA. That's why is selling so well. I woudn't compare it with PS4. It's another market. Graphics wise, power wise, you also can tell that it's a mobile device with TV connection. 

The Switch is competing directly with the PS4. That's a fact. I don't know what you even mean with "another market" as they are in the same market. Video game entertainment.

Of course not.

First because PS4 is a current gen home console and NSW is a handheld, a tablet, with Nintendo games. Different types of gamers and different type of technology.

Secondly, PS4 has already sold 90m. It's going to end of life soon, not in terms of years but in terms of it almost already sold the golden number 100m and almost everyone that wants a PS4 has already one. NSW, even if it was a true current generation home console, it'd be too late to compete with PS4.

PS4 is selling great, even with 90m sold and 5 years in the market. NSW can't touch PS4 at all.



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My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

There were three ravens sat on a tree / They were as blacke as they might be / The one of them said to his mate, Where shall we our breakfast take?


OTBWY said:
DonFerrari said:

Nope, it isn't. If a competitor entering the market doesn't shift your sales (and PS4 had it's best year when Switch launched, and this year is like 2nd or 3rd best with the decline being natural for the age of the console and hitting peak last year) then it isn't a direct competitor.

If Xbox wasn't on the market (mainly USA and UK) PS4 sales would have been considerably higher.

Come next gen and if Switch 2 eat away market from PS5 or X4 then you can claim this.

I think you're wrong and confusing others on purpose. The Switch, the Xbox, the PS4, are all competitors. Why? Because they all compete for a consumers time and shelf space. You can't deny that fact. Two or three competing devices in the same market not eating each others sales is a dumb analogy since, like in every other market, you don't know what decisions consumers make except for the actual hard raw data that we get. We cannot determine that for example that a consumer chose Smash Bros over GoW this christmas. You can't write that as a loss of sale for GoW, because extra piece of motivation is missing. What we do know however is that these platforms wrestle for time and attention, by software releases (sometimes exclusives, or superior plats) and other measures. If they didn't compete directly, we would not see this. And it is so very obvious that they do, you have to be living under a rock to not notice it. If you do know it and still deny this simple fact, you are being malicious because A: You don't like the fact that the Switch is doing well against your favourite platform and B: A platform you like is losing market dominance slowly.

As for the next Xbox or PS5, I am not worried at all for the Switch. This year will be notable because of certain releases the Switch will get, at which point it will become a platform with a library difficult to ignore. By then, a strong exclusive lineup will push it forward. A new powerful platform doesn't always win over a weaker platform. It always comes back to the games.

Shelf space and time is not enough to determine a market. Switch and PS4 are on different segments in terms of overall price (games included), library, technology and consumer target.



God bless You.

My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

There were three ravens sat on a tree / They were as blacke as they might be / The one of them said to his mate, Where shall we our breakfast take?


Intrinsic said:
Illusion said:
Great showing for the Switch. It's so nice to see Nintendo back on top even if it is just for a month. In the Wii U days, so many people were saying that Nintendo was finished in the home console business and if it were any other company, they would be. The Switch has got to be one of the most impressive turnarounds for a console developer in gaming history.

If we are being honest...... those people were not wrong. Nintendo "is" finished in the "home console" business. And nintendo know this too, that is why they made a hybrid.

They basically made a handheld (and yes, everything about the NS says its a handheld) that you can plug into your TV. I doubt the NS would have sold as well as its selling if it were a traditional home console. It sure as hell wouldn't sell as well as it has in japan.

But credit should still be given to nintendo, they took what they now know works for them   (handhelds) and focused their business going forward on it. More couldnt have been asked of them.

Yes. The last N's home console was Wii U. The lesson for them is that they can't compete on the current gen console business. They moved on to a very clever handheld that have everything included to connect to a TV. Clever solution, but different stuff. It's not a current gen home console, not in terms of graphics, technology, library, prices, streaming, features, etc.



God bless You.

My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

There were three ravens sat on a tree / They were as blacke as they might be / The one of them said to his mate, Where shall we our breakfast take?


OTBWY said:
Intrinsic said:

If we are being honest...... those people were not wrong. Nintendo "is" finished in the "home console" business. And nintendo know this too, that is why they made a hybrid.

They basically made a handheld (and yes, everything about the NS says its a handheld) that you can plug into your TV. I doubt the NS would have sold as well as its selling if it were a traditional home console. It sure as hell wouldn't sell as well as it has in japan.

But credit should still be given to nintendo, they took what they now know works for them   (handhelds) and focused their business going forward on it. More couldnt have been asked of them.

It's a home console that can be played portably, untethered. The console comes with the dock, not without it. Nintendo has been very clear what they think the Switch is and they referred it as a home console multiple times in their marketing, interviews etc. I know why certain people want it to be a handheld and looking at the rhetoric it's pretty obvious that this is said in order to make it seems that the Switch is not competing with the PS4 or Xbox directly, which is false.

The reasoning of the concept of it being hybrid is simple, they combined two development crews into one in order to have a more steady line of software. This way software teams are unified, but the software itself is also unified in the sense that games that are best played portably, can be played portably. Games that most likely are best played at home, can be played at home. Everyone is satisfied, consumers and developers.

Nintendo also called Zelda open air. What on earth open air means?



God bless You.

My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

There were three ravens sat on a tree / They were as blacke as they might be / The one of them said to his mate, Where shall we our breakfast take?


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Intrinsic said:
OTBWY said:

It's a home console that can be played portably, untethered. The console comes with the dock, not without it. Nintendo has been very clear what they think the Switch is and they referred it as a home console multiple times in their marketing, interviews etc. I know why certain people want it to be a handheld and looking at the rhetoric it's pretty obvious that this is said in order to make it seems that the Switch is not competing with the PS4 or Xbox directly, which is false.

The reasoning of the concept of it being hybrid is simple, they combined two development crews into one in order to have a more steady line of software. This way software teams are unified, but the software itself is also unified in the sense that games that are best played portably, can be played portably. Games that most likely are best played at home, can be played at home. Everyone is satisfied, consumers and developers.

I am sorry but you are the one being fooled here. It doesn matter what nintendo calls it or says it is (sony called the PS3 a computer at one point and MS called the XB1 a media hub at one point too).  

What kinda processor does the switch have? Does it have a battery? does it have a screen built into the core primary hardware? does it use small form factor game media focused on portability?

If it moves like a horse, sounds like a horse, looks like a horse........... why go and insist on calling it a lion? The ONLY thin that makes it a "home console" is that it has a dock. But a hdmi out n every laptop doesn't make it a desktop PC. Neither did the video out n the PSP or Vita make them home consoles either.

The NS is best described as  hybrid. But make no mistake, its a handheld. Just look at every single other handheld ever made and every home console made  and tell me what the NS has more in common with.

A console in 2019 has so many features and technologies that NSW lack.

If NSW is a home console, my iPad is also some sort of home console.



God bless You.

My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

There were three ravens sat on a tree / They were as blacke as they might be / The one of them said to his mate, Where shall we our breakfast take?


SKMBlake said:
Intrinsic said:

I am sorry but you are the one being fooled here. It doesn matter what nintendo calls it or says it is (sony called the PS3 a computer at one point and MS called the XB1 a media hub at one point too).  

What kinda processor does the switch have? Does it have a battery? does it have a screen built into the core primary hardware? does it use small form factor game media focused on portability?

If it moves like a horse, sounds like a horse, looks like a horse........... why go and insist on calling it a lion? The ONLY thin that makes it a "home console" is that it has a dock. But a hdmi out n every laptop doesn't make it a desktop PC. Neither did the video out n the PSP or Vita make them home consoles either.

The NS is best described as  hybrid. But make no mistake, its a handheld. Just look at every single other handheld ever made and every home console made  and tell me what the NS has more in common with.

You forgot about the Zebra.

 

And if we look carefully what does the Switch looks like, we have this:

I'm just seeing a screen with hardware built-in. It lacks buttons to be used as a handheld. And if you go to the "of course we need to attach the joycons" then the same principle can be applied to the dock and thus its HDMI output.

A Switch without joycons but a dock and a pro controller makes it a home console. A Switch without a dock but joycons makes it a handheld. But you can't just ignore one one the 2 features to call it whatever you want to.

It's a mini TV for me, with gaming capabilities. End of story.

It's a gaming tablet.



God bless You.

My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

There were three ravens sat on a tree / They were as blacke as they might be / The one of them said to his mate, Where shall we our breakfast take?


BlackBeauty said:
Switch games cost 60$ and the console itself is 300$.

I guess leave it to Nintendo to able to market and sell a handheld at such a price if any other other company tried it. They would’ve flopped miserably.

Nintendo is expensive luxury as always. They still price Wii U games at $60



God bless You.

My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

There were three ravens sat on a tree / They were as blacke as they might be / The one of them said to his mate, Where shall we our breakfast take?


BlackBeauty said:

Could you imagine how the switch will sell when it finally drop to handheld prices?

I’m shivering just thinking about that.

Not just hardware but software as well. I wonder how much legs they could get when they finally permanently cut their main titles to 40$. I can see BOTW topping 30 million copies.

NSW will get a Pokemon. It will sell tons as usual.



God bless You.

My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

There were three ravens sat on a tree / They were as blacke as they might be / The one of them said to his mate, Where shall we our breakfast take?


Wyrdness said:
Switch is a hybrid so therefore competes with PS4 and X1 as well as any portable gaming device anyone telling themselves otherwise is fooling themselves, it can be used as a home console and as a portable.

My iPad can quite be used as a laptop, but it's not a laptop, really.

Switch is much more like a 3DS successor than a current gen console.



God bless You.

My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

There were three ravens sat on a tree / They were as blacke as they might be / The one of them said to his mate, Where shall we our breakfast take?