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drinkandswim said:
WolfpackN64 said:

But it's not going to. Mobile gaming and console gaming are two totally different markets. People who occasionally play a game might do so on their smartphone (as was done on GSM's in the past). No one is going to say "my smartphone is good enough, guess I don't need a console".

So no, the mobile gaming and console gaming markets will continue to exist next to each other.

As the technology gap shrinks between mobile and console, who wouldnt want the ability to take their games on the go?

i dont mean phone gaming, i mean handheld gaming.

Ah, I see, well of course we see that systems like the Switch are powerful enough to allow for high quality experiances on the go. That's not really due to a shrinking technology gap, more due to diminishing returns on graphic power vs graphic quality.

You see, portable technology like smartphone chips quickly rose in power compared to old cellphones, but the latter basically used embedded chips with a much smaller power envelope, wheras companies like Qualcomm keep pushing the envelope in power, but also in power consumption (as demonstrated with the Snapdragon 8cx).

I wouldn't be surprised if a Switch folowup would use Qualcomm's tech in the future since it has become so powerful. But it has also become so powerful because they scaled the tech up.

And with transitor shrinks becoming ever more difficult and probably flatlining at 3nm. We have a few more rounds of increasing hardware efficiëncy to go from the low end to the high end products before all perf/watt improvements will come from architecture.



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Soundwave said:
Jigsawx1 said:
Mario on playstation and xbox? why not? They cant compete forever with financial power of ms or the brand "Playstation".

Looks to me like they're competing just fine on that front, Switch is matching/exceeding in some cases sales of Playstation 4 at the same point in its lifecycle and outselling the XBox One at equivalent points. 

Why not Master Chief and Drake on Switch? 

If streaming services ever take off, it's gonna be curtains for Playstation and XBox physical hardware too, not just Nintendo. 

Because the nintendo hardware is too weak



WolfpackN64 said:
drinkandswim said:

As the technology gap shrinks between mobile and console, who wouldnt want the ability to take their games on the go?

i dont mean phone gaming, i mean handheld gaming.

Ah, I see, well of course we see that systems like the Switch are powerful enough to allow for high quality experiances on the go. That's not really due to a shrinking technology gap, more due to diminishing returns on graphic power vs graphic quality.

You see, portable technology like smartphone chips quickly rose in power compared to old cellphones, but the latter basically used embedded chips with a much smaller power envelope, wheras companies like Qualcomm keep pushing the envelope in power, but also in power consumption (as demonstrated with the Snapdragon 8cx).

I wouldn't be surprised if a Switch folowup would use Qualcomm's tech in the future since it has become so powerful. But it has also become so powerful because they scaled the tech up.

And with transitor shrinks becoming ever more difficult and probably flatlining at 3nm. We have a few more rounds of increasing hardware efficiëncy to go from the low end to the high end products before all perf/watt improvements will come from architecture.

That is true it is more due to the power required to go from 1080P to 4K. It also has to do with game development length and costs.



Kerotan said:
CaptainExplosion said:

Maybe, but the thought of it really bothers me. It's like a big part of my life getting swept under the rug, all because of the influx of smart devices.

I always said Nintendo should have been the ones inventing the iPhone back in the day. It was the natural evolution.

No it wasn't. The iphone was the evolution of the ipod and ipod was the natural evolution of Walkman.

Why Sony did not invent the iPod

 They could be selling a smart device where they make first party and get profits from apps and games sold on it.

They're doing that now.

They would be the richest company in the world now if they did. 

Unlikely.



Nov 2016 - NES outsells PS1 (JP)

Don't Play Stationary 4 ever. Switch!

Jigsawx1 said:
Soundwave said:

Looks to me like they're competing just fine on that front, Switch is matching/exceeding in some cases sales of Playstation 4 at the same point in its lifecycle and outselling the XBox One at equivalent points. 

Why not Master Chief and Drake on Switch? 

If streaming services ever take off, it's gonna be curtains for Playstation and XBox physical hardware too, not just Nintendo. 

Because the nintendo hardware is too weak

Which is a non-issue when we talk about streaming... the client device doesn't have to be powerful.

So why not PSNow (with PS3 + PS4 games) and Project Xcloud (Xbox games) and Shadow (PC games) streamed on Switch?



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Pyro as Bill said:
Kerotan said:

I always said Nintendo should have been the ones inventing the iPhone back in the day. It was the natural evolution.

No it wasn't. The iphone was the evolution of the ipod and ipod was the natural evolution of Walkman.

Why Sony did not invent the iPod

 They could be selling a smart device where they make first party and get profits from apps and games sold on it.

They're doing that now.

They would be the richest company in the world now if they did. 

Unlikely.

I have always said sony fucked up not inventing the iPhone. That would have been visionary by them instead of going the PSP/Vita route. And if Sony did it they would be the richest in the world. Doesn't change my point that Nintendo also fucked up by not doing it. It would have been way more lucrative then the portable path they went and they could have done both with their games on both. 



nintendolife sucks! And it is not the first time they write something wrong on purpose just looking for views. 

What Furukawa said was Nintendo would make income by other ways off consoles in case of video games industry went down. In other words, their business has a good diversification strategy supported by their intelectual projects value. 



"Every day I look in the mirror and ask myself: "If today were the last day of my life, would I want to do what I am about to do today?". If the answer is no for too many days in a row, I know I need to change something"

Steve Jobs

Kerotan said:
Pyro as Bill said:

I have always said sony fucked up not inventing the iPhone. That would have been visionary by them instead of going the PSP/Vita route. And if Sony did it they would be the richest in the world. Doesn't change my point that Nintendo also fucked up by not doing it. It would have been way more lucrative then the portable path they went and they could have done both with their games on both. 

You could say that about any tech company though, hindsight is 20/20



CaptainExplosion said:
Nautilus said:

Lets not exagerate, shall we?

Well it's hard not to when things look bleak for something I care about.

Bleak?Where?Just because of one statement which was seemingly taken out of context?

And after the Switch?Talk about drama...



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

CaptainExplosion said:
Nautilus said:

Bleak?Where?Just because of one statement which was seemingly taken out of context?

And after the Switch?Talk about drama...

Because it mirrors Sega when it made those stupid add-ons for the Sega Genesis despite it's success, and Konami when they booted Kojima to make Metal Gear Survive and pachinko machines.

They are not even remotely related, the conditions for such scenarios are completrely polar oposite.....

 

But Ill leave it here, because it seems that you wont change your mind.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1