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HoangNhatAnh said:
DonFerrari said:

You guys need to enter a consensus if you are talking on taste, metacritic or sales.

Well, even with metacritic, BOTW and Odyssey have way better scores so... both reviews and sales are better. The only thing that can make Spider Man, GOW and Detroit better is: if you are a Sony fan, you will automatically think they are better than any game from the competitors, and make the reason about taste. Even if you hate these games, they are still better than any game from a different company

That is the point. There isn't any real objective way to determine which was better.

If sales define it, then you have the Fifas, CoDs, etc that would be better than much of other games.

Metacritic is flawed beyond imagination and even if it wasn't reviewers are still opinion they don't evaluate technically.

There isn't much real difference between personal (or collective) taste versus reviewer taste.

So when someone puts that with only BotW and Oddissey no other console ever had a better year then it is beyond hyperbolic, even more when trying to dismiss Detroit because metacritic got it under 80.

You can make a bridge to any other entertainment. The musics that sell the most would hardly qualify as the better ones, neither the ones that win grammies. As those won't be better in technical analysis than classic music ("as a genre").

 

So obviously it will always end up inside the taste. And as much as you want to say only a Sony fanboy would think 2018 games on PS4 were better than BotW and Odissey, only a Nintendo fan would make a claim that these two games trump any other gaming year in history.

I will tell you that no 2 games would fill my full year of gaming. Not even Gran Turismo which I love dearly and played over 650h on GT5 and on average more than 300h each would fill more than 3 months of my time on 2 games alone.

If I would say, during a normal year I probably finish about 20-30 games.

So if you want to say Switch got a phenomenal launch window, or even that it had the best ever launch lineup ( I would have to research further to see if I would put any above it, but I don't think I would) I would easily agree. But these 2 games better than any year in gaming on 40 years of history isn't something I would agree, even though I play Mario for a long time (with NSMB the only game I 100% on DS) and can recognize Odissey and BotW as fantastic games even if I don't really want to play they and think HZD better than BotW.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

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Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

Well, even with metacritic, BOTW and Odyssey have way better scores so... both reviews and sales are better. The only thing that can make Spider Man, GOW and Detroit better is: if you are a Sony fan, you will automatically think they are better than any game from the competitors, and make the reason about taste. Even if you hate these games, they are still better than any game from a different company

That is the point. There isn't any real objective way to determine which was better.

If sales define it, then you have the Fifas, CoDs, etc that would be better than much of other games.

Metacritic is flawed beyond imagination and even if it wasn't reviewers are still opinion they don't evaluate technically.

There isn't much real difference between personal (or collective) taste versus reviewer taste.

So when someone puts that with only BotW and Oddissey no other console ever had a better year then it is beyond hyperbolic, even more when trying to dismiss Detroit because metacritic got it under 80.

You can make a bridge to any other entertainment. The musics that sell the most would hardly qualify as the better ones, neither the ones that win grammies. As those won't be better in technical analysis than classic music ("as a genre").

 

So obviously it will always end up inside the taste. And as much as you want to say only a Sony fanboy would think 2018 games on PS4 were better than BotW and Odissey, only a Nintendo fan would make a claim that these two games trump any other gaming year in history.

I will tell you that no 2 games would fill my full year of gaming. Not even Gran Turismo which I love dearly and played over 650h on GT5 and on average more than 300h each would fill more than 3 months of my time on 2 games alone.

If I would say, during a normal year I probably finish about 20-30 games.

So if you want to say Switch got a phenomenal launch window, or even that it had the best ever launch lineup ( I would have to research further to see if I would put any above it, but I don't think I would) I would easily agree. But these 2 games better than any year in gaming on 40 years of history isn't something I would agree, even though I play Mario for a long time (with NSMB the only game I 100% on DS) and can recognize Odissey and BotW as fantastic games even if I don't really want to play they and think HZD better than BotW.

If you ask me, Phantasy Star II and IV are the best RPGs to me, league ahead any RPG i have played so far including Xeno games and Fire Emblem series. Sure, i'm a Nintendo fan, but depends on what kind of game, i can agree or not, and definitely not some cinematic with QTEs games. "these 2 games better than any year in gaming on 40 years of history isn't something I would agree", of course they aren't, but if we compare them to GOW, Spider Man and Detroit, a lot people think they are better outside Sony fans and graphic fans



HoangNhatAnh said:
DonFerrari said:

That is the point. There isn't any real objective way to determine which was better.

If sales define it, then you have the Fifas, CoDs, etc that would be better than much of other games.

Metacritic is flawed beyond imagination and even if it wasn't reviewers are still opinion they don't evaluate technically.

There isn't much real difference between personal (or collective) taste versus reviewer taste.

So when someone puts that with only BotW and Oddissey no other console ever had a better year then it is beyond hyperbolic, even more when trying to dismiss Detroit because metacritic got it under 80.

You can make a bridge to any other entertainment. The musics that sell the most would hardly qualify as the better ones, neither the ones that win grammies. As those won't be better in technical analysis than classic music ("as a genre").

 

So obviously it will always end up inside the taste. And as much as you want to say only a Sony fanboy would think 2018 games on PS4 were better than BotW and Odissey, only a Nintendo fan would make a claim that these two games trump any other gaming year in history.

I will tell you that no 2 games would fill my full year of gaming. Not even Gran Turismo which I love dearly and played over 650h on GT5 and on average more than 300h each would fill more than 3 months of my time on 2 games alone.

If I would say, during a normal year I probably finish about 20-30 games.

So if you want to say Switch got a phenomenal launch window, or even that it had the best ever launch lineup ( I would have to research further to see if I would put any above it, but I don't think I would) I would easily agree. But these 2 games better than any year in gaming on 40 years of history isn't something I would agree, even though I play Mario for a long time (with NSMB the only game I 100% on DS) and can recognize Odissey and BotW as fantastic games even if I don't really want to play they and think HZD better than BotW.

If you ask me, Phantasy Star II and IV are the best RPGs to me, league ahead any RPG i have played so far including Xeno games and Fire Emblem series. Sure, i'm a Nintendo fan, but depends on what kind of game, i can agree or not, and definitely not some cinematic with QTEs games. "these 2 games better than any year in gaming on 40 years of history isn't something I would agree", of course they aren't, but if we compare them to GOW, Spider Man and Detroit, a lot people think they are better outside Sony fans and graphic fans

I have no problem with either you not liking GoW (Which won GOTY), SM and Detroit or thinking they aren't better than Odissey and BotW, but those were just 3 of the games on 2018. GoW even if fantastic and having a lot of gameplay and story besides graphics, SM being pretty fun and gameplay heavy, Detroit with a deep story are more than just graphics (although those are the most impressive features on then) are certainly not for everyone and surely sold less than Odissey and BotW plus review score is lower but neither are definite measures of what is better.

He didn't said that no publisher made 2 games on the same year better than Odissey and BotW nor something of the like. He put all games launched in the year on another platform.

If I asked you if you would ask you (as usually people like to go to these extremes), would you rather play these 2 games for the rest of your life or chose all the games on a console launched in any specific year of your choosing. Which year and platform would you chose?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

If you ask me, Phantasy Star II and IV are the best RPGs to me, league ahead any RPG i have played so far including Xeno games and Fire Emblem series. Sure, i'm a Nintendo fan, but depends on what kind of game, i can agree or not, and definitely not some cinematic with QTEs games. "these 2 games better than any year in gaming on 40 years of history isn't something I would agree", of course they aren't, but if we compare them to GOW, Spider Man and Detroit, a lot people think they are better outside Sony fans and graphic fans

I have no problem with either you not liking GoW (Which won GOTY), SM and Detroit or thinking they aren't better than Odissey and BotW, but those were just 3 of the games on 2018. GoW even if fantastic and having a lot of gameplay and story besides graphics, SM being pretty fun and gameplay heavy, Detroit with a deep story are more than just graphics (although those are the most impressive features on then) are certainly not for everyone and surely sold less than Odissey and BotW plus review score is lower but neither are definite measures of what is better.

He didn't said that no publisher made 2 games on the same year better than Odissey and BotW nor something of the like. He put all games launched in the year on another platform.

If I asked you if you would ask you (as usually people like to go to these extremes), would you rather play these 2 games for the rest of your life or chose all the games on a console launched in any specific year of your choosing. Which year and platform would you chose?

A bit hyperbole and poor wording. I also don't agree with him that "no publisher made 2 games on the same year better than Odyssey and BotW nor something of the like" but will agree with something like this: "best launch console with 1st party game ever". "Would you rather play these 2 games for the rest of your life or chose all the games on a console launched in any specific year of your choosing. Which year and platform would you chose?" Of course i will choose launch games for a console, but i'm not interest in Odyssey, i would pick FE Warriors, Xenoblade 2, Mario X Rabbids and Arms over it. However, i don't think majority people outside Sony fans and graphic whores will agree with you that those 3 games are better than Odyssey and BOTW including neutral fans



HoangNhatAnh said:
DonFerrari said:

I have no problem with either you not liking GoW (Which won GOTY), SM and Detroit or thinking they aren't better than Odissey and BotW, but those were just 3 of the games on 2018. GoW even if fantastic and having a lot of gameplay and story besides graphics, SM being pretty fun and gameplay heavy, Detroit with a deep story are more than just graphics (although those are the most impressive features on then) are certainly not for everyone and surely sold less than Odissey and BotW plus review score is lower but neither are definite measures of what is better.

He didn't said that no publisher made 2 games on the same year better than Odissey and BotW nor something of the like. He put all games launched in the year on another platform.

If I asked you if you would ask you (as usually people like to go to these extremes), would you rather play these 2 games for the rest of your life or chose all the games on a console launched in any specific year of your choosing. Which year and platform would you chose?

A bit hyperbole and poor wording. I also don't agree with him that "no publisher made 2 games on the same year better than Odyssey and BotW nor something of the like" but will agree with something like this: "best launch console with 1st party game ever". "Would you rather play these 2 games for the rest of your life or chose all the games on a console launched in any specific year of your choosing. Which year and platform would you chose?" Of course i will choose launch games for a console, but i'm not interest in Odyssey, i would pick FE Warriors, Xenoblade 2, Mario X Rabbids and Arms over it. However, i don't think majority people outside Sony fans and graphic whores will agree with you that those 3 games are better than Odyssey and BOTW including neutral fans

I had RDR2 as well. So it was 3 Goty contenders plus one niche well regarded within the niche game.

And the evidence of most not agreeing that those 2 games were better than any full year of releases on any consoles is the OP itself that isn't a sony fan (besides yourself =p) and some people even agreed.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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I am still playing Botw. And i got the Game the second Werk after its Release. That Game Alone was worth it. 2017 untopable.



DonFerrari said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

A bit hyperbole and poor wording. I also don't agree with him that "no publisher made 2 games on the same year better than Odyssey and BotW nor something of the like" but will agree with something like this: "best launch console with 1st party game ever". "Would you rather play these 2 games for the rest of your life or chose all the games on a console launched in any specific year of your choosing. Which year and platform would you chose?" Of course i will choose launch games for a console, but i'm not interest in Odyssey, i would pick FE Warriors, Xenoblade 2, Mario X Rabbids and Arms over it. However, i don't think majority people outside Sony fans and graphic whores will agree with you that those 3 games are better than Odyssey and BOTW including neutral fans

I had RDR2 as well. So it was 3 Goty contenders plus one niche well regarded within the niche game.

And the evidence of most not agreeing that those 2 games were better than any full year of releases on any consoles is the OP itself that isn't a sony fan (besides yourself =p) and some people even agreed.

I said "best launch console with 1st party game ever", did Sony made RDR2 as a ps4 launch game?



HoangNhatAnh said:
DonFerrari said:

I had RDR2 as well. So it was 3 Goty contenders plus one niche well regarded within the niche game.

And the evidence of most not agreeing that those 2 games were better than any full year of releases on any consoles is the OP itself that isn't a sony fan (besides yourself =p) and some people even agreed.

I said "best launch console with 1st party game ever", did Sony made RDR2 as a ps4 launch game?

GoW, SM and Detroit aren't launch PS4 game. Not sure where you confused.

I said Switch being the best lineup at release I would mostly agree, and if If I was to try and find a better lineup it would be hard (if possible at all).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

2017 was great to me. 2018 was pretty decent,especially on the indie side. 2019 looks like its going to be monstrous though if all pans out.



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HoangNhatAnh said:
DonFerrari said:

You guys need to enter a consensus if you are talking on taste, metacritic or sales.

Well, even with metacritic, BOTW and Odyssey have way better scores so... both reviews and sales are better. The only thing that can make Spider Man, GOW and Detroit better is: if you are a Sony fan, you will automatically think they are better than any game from the competitors, and make the reason about taste. Even if you hate these games, they are still better than any game from a different company

this pretty much nails it. That's all it comes down to. Either way what game is ''good or bad'' is subjective at the end of the day.



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