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I'll state my opinion based on yours. I'll tell you the point I do not agree, so what I did not say is because I´ve agreed... 1. "...Traditional controllers..." > I understand the you look at it as an extra screen engaged on a "common" layout buttons, but it's not exactly like that. The WiiU Gamepad was an entirely new concept that can be considered as traditional right now... I mean, what makes a controller like a traditional one? I think that the second screen on the Nintendo Switch is nothing new, more like a traditional controller because it came from an existing idea. It may not have been accepted in 2011 where a transition had to be made but the idea of a "traditional" based on 90's layout is better marketplace seems merely superstition. But I totally agree if you say it was underused. 2. "...trully died in 2014..." > Well, that's nothing to argue. You may have disliked a new console and say that it died months after been released, this is not a matter of belief, the console mass production came to an end at 2017. Even so some games have still been released (Darksiders Warmastered, Aqua Moto Racing Utopia in 2018 ) and believe me, I still play some games online and manage to find a reasonable number of people. 3. "...Splatoon, Star Fox Zero, Yoshi's Woolly World, games already known for years..." > It's a lie. They were revealed and lauched by 1-year range, you cited Xenoblade that really took a long time and made a memory mess. I'm just saying this fact is not true and it´s not a reason. 4. "...If called Super Wii would've sold more units..." > This is an easy thing to say but hard to prove. Taking into consideration other bigger problems that you did not even mention, the product name would not imply significant changes. I can see more likely factor that could have interfered in the succes of the console than that cited above, but I agree with the rest of your text.

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ThisanmU said:
I'll state my opinion based on yours. I'll tell you the point I do not agree, so what I did not say is because I´ve agreed... 1. "...Traditional controllers..." > I understand the you look at it as an extra screen engaged on a "common" layout buttons, but it's not exactly like that. The WiiU Gamepad was an entirely new concept that can be considered as traditional right now... I mean, what makes a controller like a traditional one? I think that the second screen on the Nintendo Switch is nothing new, more like a traditional controller because it came from an existing idea. It may not have been accepted in 2011 where a transition had to be made but the idea of a "traditional" based on 90's layout is better marketplace seems merely superstition. But I totally agree if you say it was underused. 2. "...trully died in 2014..." > Well, that's nothing to argue. You may have disliked a new console and say that it died months after been released, this is not a matter of belief, the console mass production came to an end at 2017. Even so some games have still been released (Darksiders Warmastered, Aqua Moto Racing Utopia in 2018 ) and believe me, I still play some games online and manage to find a reasonable number of people. 3. "...Splatoon, Star Fox Zero, Yoshi's Woolly World, games already known for years..." > It's a lie. They were revealed and lauched by 1-year range, you cited Xenoblade that really took a long time and made a memory mess. I'm just saying this fact is not true and it´s not a reason. 4. "...If called Super Wii would've sold more units..." > This is an easy thing to say but hard to prove. Taking into consideration other bigger problems that you did not even mention, the product name would not imply significant changes. I can see more likely factor that could have interfered in the succes of the console than that cited above, but I agree with the rest of your text.

 

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Poliwrathlord said:
Dr.Vita said:
But Nintendo sold 85M+ consoles with the 3DS and the Wii U combined. What is the reason to say that the Switch ended the "dark ages of Nintendo"? Do you think the Switch will top 85M+?

While yes I do think the Switch will sell around 80-85 M. the title mostly refers to terrible state of the company during these years. I wanted to get into Nintendo's stock prices and the mundane business decisions they were making during this period but I felt as if I was already going on too long.

PS3 was hit harder as far as profitability margin per year by far. 



Agente42 said:

 

Rol has already said basically what he should. Just want to say that it is important to note Nintendo in 2010 and 2011 that almost abandoned the Wii, the video game was dependent on Metroid Other M and Skyward Sword, which are not even a good version of their respective franchises. At the end of the revolution that was the generation, Nintendo stopped releasing games to stationary console to focus on 3DS and this also contributed to the later period. The couch arcades games that were at the heart of the Wii system were abandoned by games more like Gamecube games, like Other M and Skyward Sword, so the console had low sales as had the Gamecube.

They released Xenoblade Chronicles and The Last Story worldwide in 2010-2011, and they were relatively huge games and XC is critically speaking the best in the series. Pandora Tower which admittedly was a lower budgeted game than the other 2 was still a very enjoyable game in its own right released. They also had Mario Galaxy 2, Donkey Kong Country Returns, and No More Heroes 2.

2010 and 2011 easily beat out 2008 and 2009 as far as quality games (well depends on how mush you like Smash Brawl and Mario Kart Wii) at least in number of games released, it was an uptick.

 

Last I'd also like to mention Skyward Sword and Other M were solid games in their own right. Arguably not the best in their series which is a matter of opinion, but far from bad games. I mean correct me if I'm wrong but weren't their more main dungeons in Skyward Sword than in BOTW? 

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They were too hung up on disruptive innovations at the time, and it didn't work..

They should have focused a little on sustaining innovations following the Wii. Like Apple did to the iPod and the iPhone. They created a disruptive product, but they cultivated an audience by sustainably innovating many times over. Nintendo needs to learn this lesson.



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bigtakilla said:

2010 and 2011 easily beat out 2008 and 2009 as far as quality games (well depends on how mush you like Smash Brawl and Mario Kart Wii) at least in number of games released, it was an uptick.

Eh, I dunno about that.

2010 was the system's best year in terms of games by far, in fact I'd say it was one of Nintendo's best of the 21st century.

If you lived in PAL, 2011 wins on the strength of Xenoblade, but in the Americas I think 2008/2009/2011 are pretty close. The way I see it, the worthwhile games of each were:

2008: Mario Kart, Smash, (I don't like i but I'm aware most do) de Blob, No More Heroes, World of Goo, Shaun White Snowboarding, COD World at War.

2009: NSMBWii, Wii Sports Resort, Silent Hill Shattered Memories, Dead Space Extraction, Excitebots, Little King's Story, Punch-Out, Muramasa, COD4.

2011: Zelda, Rayman Origins, de Blob 2, Kirby's Return to Dreamland, Modern Warfare 3.

They're pretty close IMHO, but 2008 and 2009 win in terms of quantity.



curl-6 said:
bigtakilla said:

2010 and 2011 easily beat out 2008 and 2009 as far as quality games (well depends on how mush you like Smash Brawl and Mario Kart Wii) at least in number of games released, it was an uptick.

Eh, I dunno about that.

2010 was the system's best year in terms of games by far, in fact I'd say it was one of Nintendo's best of the 21st century.

If you lived in PAL, 2011 wins on the strength of Xenoblade, but in the Americas I think 2008/2009/2011 are pretty close. The way I see it, the worthwhile games of each were:

2008: Mario Kart, Smash, (I don't like i but I'm aware most do) de Blob, No More Heroes, World of Goo, Shaun White Snowboarding, COD World at War.

2009: NSMBWii, Wii Sports Resort, Silent Hill Shattered Memories, Dead Space Extraction, Excitebots, Little King's Story, Punch-Out, Muramasa, COD4.

2011: Zelda, Rayman Origins, de Blob 2, Kirby's Return to Dreamland, Modern Warfare 3.

They're pretty close IMHO, but 2008 and 2009 win in terms of quantity.

Skyward Sword and The Last Story were two big games for the Wii period, let alone just for 2011. Pandoras Tower also released then and was a very decent game though you could tell smaller budget. That kind of re treading through a game I will give you was excessive.



bigtakilla said:
curl-6 said:

Eh, I dunno about that.

2010 was the system's best year in terms of games by far, in fact I'd say it was one of Nintendo's best of the 21st century.

If you lived in PAL, 2011 wins on the strength of Xenoblade, but in the Americas I think 2008/2009/2011 are pretty close. The way I see it, the worthwhile games of each were:

2008: Mario Kart, Smash, (I don't like i but I'm aware most do) de Blob, No More Heroes, World of Goo, Shaun White Snowboarding, COD World at War.

2009: NSMBWii, Wii Sports Resort, Silent Hill Shattered Memories, Dead Space Extraction, Excitebots, Little King's Story, Punch-Out, Muramasa, COD4.

2011: Zelda, Rayman Origins, de Blob 2, Kirby's Return to Dreamland, Modern Warfare 3.

They're pretty close IMHO, but 2008 and 2009 win in terms of quantity.

Skyward Sword and The Last Story were two big games for the Wii period, let alone just for 2011. Pandoras Tower also released then and was a very decent game though you could tell smaller budget. That kind of re treading through a game I will give you was excessive.

Which region are we talking about here? Cos The Last Story and Pandora's Tower only released in Japan in 2011, and not until 2012 in PAL and 2012/2013 in the Americas.



Dr.Vita said:
But Nintendo sold 85M+ consoles with the 3DS and the Wii U combined. What is the reason to say that the Switch ended the "dark ages of Nintendo"? Do you think the Switch will top 85M+?

Is this serious post? Switch is selling great, Nintendo games are selling great on Switch and Nintendo again making huge profit (much bigger than in period of 3DS+WiiU). I don't see how anyone with little sense can call that "dark age for Nintendo".

And yes, Switch will probably top 85m+, but its not like Switch needs to sell so much that we could say that "dark ages" for Nintendo are over.



Also, to suggest that a sale of one 3DS/2DS unit is anywhere near equal to a sale of a Switch, and express concern that Nintendo might be in decline if it somehow didn’t reach that 85M mark, is beyond concern trolling.

Look at the amount of revenue that Switch generates. Switch cost 300 USD, and 3DS cost 80 to 200 USD; while Switch games cost 60 USD, 3DS games cost only 30.

Look at the volume of software Switch sells; while the 3DS was breaking 56 million software when it reached 23M, Switch broke 111M.

 

The 3DS is half the price, its software is half the price, and its software sells half the volume: in other words a Switch is worth about three to four 3DSs in terms of revenue and about two 3DS in terms of the volume of games people buy for it. If we want to dig further, how much longer is the average Switch game compared to the average 3DS game?

I’m not even much of a home console gamer, more of a handheld gamer, and even I can see that a Switch is clearly significantly more weighty than a 3DS in any metric of value.

When Switch hits 30 million, it’s safely past the 85M 3DSs. It will hit that within a month.



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