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Vinther1991 said:

I am sure Steve Bannon found good use for your money. I hear he might have had interest in getting himself a nice Yacht.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/stephen-bannon-arrested-charged/2020/08/20/6d46847c-e2ea-11ea-b69b-64f7b0477ed4_story.html

I remember all the "patriots" proclaiming Kolfage as an American hero for starting that gofundme and cheering when it reached $20 million within a few days. He was a veteran and was supposedly of unimpeachable integrity. People assured me that "real" Americans would donate to have the entire length of that wall built from San Diego to Brownsville in a month. And now it turns out that Bannon had his fingers in that pie, too. I am absolutely shocked at the idea that someone might take advantage of blind rage to enrich themselves. 

And the icing on the cake? They got arrested by the same agency the administration is trying to dismantle and sell to Fedex for spare parts. You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried.



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KLAMarine said:
darkenergy said:
Why would I sign this?

To build a wall and keep strangers out.

That worked so well for the GDR (German Democratic Republic)...



drkohler said:
KLAMarine said:

To build a wall and keep strangers out.

That worked so well for the GDR (German Democratic Republic)...

To be honest it worked pretty well on the purpose of preventing people to go in or out. Like it or not, walls works.



EnricoPallazzo said:
drkohler said:

That worked so well for the GDR (German Democratic Republic)...

To be honest it worked pretty well on the purpose of preventing people to go in or out. Like it or not, walls works.

The only wall that separted East and West Germany was the Berlin Wall the rest of border was secured by fences.  Also for the most part walls don't work.  The only wall that actually somewhat worked was the Great Wall of China but that was effective because it was build way before any modern transportation hit the scene.  In todays world walls are highly inefficient and a giant waste of money.



Well Trump already hung out with a ton of crooks before he was president so Bannon and the other associates that got arrested so far should be no big surprise.



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Hiku said:

P.S. This looks like it could very well be a scam. Don't donate any money unless you're sure of the source and that it's safe.

This aged pretty well.



EnricoPallazzo said:
drkohler said:

That worked so well for the GDR (German Democratic Republic)...

To be honest it worked pretty well on the purpose of preventing people to go in or out. Like it or not, walls works.

People could get in, the problem was more to get out again, which was the actual purpose of the wall, despite it's official name (Antifaschistischer Schutzwall; Antifaschist Protection Wall). The GDR was bleeding talent left and right and had to find a way to stop all their citizens fleeing to the west. Since the blockade or West Berlin failed, the Soviet ran out of option to prevent the bleeding any other way than wall in their citizens.

More importantly, it was much more than just a wall. Behind it, it had guards with orders to shoot on sight, automatic firing guns, land mines, tripwires, barbed wires, small spikes to pierce your feet, and so on, anything to bog down any attempt to flee to the west. It was way more than just a wall (and it was actually 2 walls, an inner wall and an outer wall).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwQsTzGkbiY

A wall alone is useless. It would have the same effect as the Chinese wall had on keeping the Huns out: none at all (for the record, the Huns entered China through a door that had not been closed correctly). Since the wall was so damn long, it was impossible to patrol or check every part of it, meaning it's defensive purpose was undermined by reality right from the start, and a border Wall between the US and Mexico would have he exact same problems.

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drkohler said:
KLAMarine said:

To build a wall and keep strangers out.

That worked so well for the GDR (German Democratic Republic)...

They had towers and soldiers too.... and people still got over it.



JRPGfan said:
drkohler said:

That worked so well for the GDR (German Democratic Republic)...

They had towers and soldiers too.... and people still got over it.

Also, what I missed to mention is one important difference: It was built to not let people out instead of not letting them in. The actually correct analogy would be then that the wall is getting build to not let Americans flee from Trump by going to Mexico...



I’ve seen enough data to know walls do work. It’s a big help in countries like Israel and Hungary. It’s not the only thing needed to prevent illegal immigration, but it’s part of the security we should have. I supported a wall before Trump, I voted for Trump in 2016, and I support a wall today. Especially working with legal and illegal immigrants for several years and seeing the disastrous effects and immoral unethical policies in action. There’s so much wrong with our immigration system that needs cleaned up. Even legal immigration is too open with H-1B visas. Corporations using American workers to train their replacements. Illegal immigrants stealing from the middle class. America and Europe are being invaded.