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contestgamer said:
I hate the complaining about this. They should be worked like they are, because that's why their games are so good. I want to enjoy the very best game that's possible to make, and if there are a few casualties along the way to make that happen then that's just the nature of the beast. They're not forced to have this job and they can quit if they don't like it. People should be more concerned about getting the absolute very best product possible than about the working hours of strangers they'll never even meet. Strangers that can get another line of work if they dont like their current one.

So you love the idea of humiliating the poor in their jobs since they can quit anytime if they don't like it as long as you can buy your merchandise. So much empathy!



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ironmanDX said:
I wonder how many people are posting about this on devices with components made in sweat shops. Stop pretending.

These people can walk out of this job anytime they want.

The witcher 3 has many themes and hints of how terrible it is when the rich ane powerful squeeze the life out of people since they have no other choice but work to their cruel demands or end up homeless jobless and in even more misery. Geralt and Yen dont appprove of this, even if they aren't real.



Majin-Tenshinhan said:
ResilientFighter said:

Geralt has shown he is against this belief of yours where people should be used as cogs like the movie metropolis and discarded when they fall ill or dare complain. Most of the things you comment every week are things geralt wouldn't approve of if he was real. If i find it a bit ironic he is your avatar. What is your line of work if we may know?

Are you seriously using "your avatar wouldn't agree with that if they existed" as a counterargument against someone?

Not in an offensive manner at all, just that I find it strange someone who is far on one political spectrum would choose their avatar to be a character who is leaning in the opposite direction. If thats not allowed simply message me that rule i wasn't aware :)



Bisa said:

This quote speaks volumes and its something that really can't be said enough

"AAA games with a five-year dev cycle shouldn't have this horrendously hyper crunch at the end with people working 90+ hours a week. Surely down the road, as you're developing, something isn't quite right."

Also this part is disgusting

"For night shifts, UK employment laws state a person can only work eight out of every 24 hours, but Rockstar employees sign agreements to waive this condition."

It's not like they're being forced to sign these agreements. I've passed on many jobs because I didn't want to work unsocial hours. 



That's really sad, and it happens all the time wirh big companies doing massive projects.



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freebs2 said:
contestgamer said:
I hate the complaining about this. They should be worked like they are, because that's why their games are so good. I want to enjoy the very best game that's possible to make, and if there are a few casualties along the way to make that happen then that's just the nature of the beast. They're not forced to have this job and they can quit if they don't like it. People should be more concerned about getting the absolute very best product possible than about the working hours of strangers they'll never even meet. Strangers that can get another line of work if they dont like their current one.

Point made. They're strangers, it's their problem.

Then again, you're a stranger too. Why should anyone give two shits about your opinion?

They shouldnt. But I'm glad they're being worked and anyone that thinks RDR2 is an amazing game should be too. 

ResilientFighter said:
contestgamer said:
I hate the complaining about this. They should be worked like they are, because that's why their games are so good. I want to enjoy the very best game that's possible to make, and if there are a few casualties along the way to make that happen then that's just the nature of the beast. They're not forced to have this job and they can quit if they don't like it. People should be more concerned about getting the absolute very best product possible than about the working hours of strangers they'll never even meet. Strangers that can get another line of work if they dont like their current one.

So you love the idea of humiliating the poor in their jobs since they can quit anytime if they don't like it as long as you can buy your merchandise. So much empathy!

Yeah well where's your empathy for people that want the very best quality product? Had they worked half the hours and we got a 94 metacritic game instead I'd bet we wouldn't see an ounce of empathy from you for fans of the game.

Mandalore76 said:
contestgamer said:

If they dont like the work, they can quit. Anyone working on the video games I enjoy should be fully committed to doing whatever it takes to deliver me that 97 rated MC game.

You probably don't even see the irony in saying the people who were responsible for making your 97 rated game should quit.  Because, they are the people who made the game.  Not the studio with the crappy schedules, piss poor time management, and shitty business practices.  It was the people.

It's the hours plus the people. Those people without these hours wouldn't deliver the same quality game. They'd be developing the kind of games every other publisher is. If they quit R* can find someone else that'll be willing to put in the 100 hours. I'm not going to sacrifice an ounce of quality or delays for these people who can find another job if they dont like it.



ResilientFighter said:
Majin-Tenshinhan said:

Are you seriously using "your avatar wouldn't agree with that if they existed" as a counterargument against someone?

Not in an offensive manner at all, just that I find it strange someone who is far on one political spectrum would choose their avatar to be a character who is leaning in the opposite direction. If thats not allowed simply message me that rule i wasn't aware :)

I'm just a writer, not a moderator, don't worry. I was just shocked at that being a counterargument.



I am currently sigless.

Jim Sterling's video on the subject was good and it's shame things like this exist, there's money to be made but they don't consider certain things. I would have quit long ago if the work was too much in any department. When I start my current job, it was a 9 to 5.30 job but we did a lot of overtime and paid next to no more than normal wage for it but over time as my company expanded and even though the work increased, we got more efficient and now I world 9 to 5.30 but only a 37.5 hour week and I arrive at 9 and leave on time.

The gaming industry needs this but I think with increase in technology, demands on the games are also high but I wouldn't care if a game looked like ME2 now as long as it was a good game.



Hmm, pie.

Majin-Tenshinhan said:
ResilientFighter said:

Not in an offensive manner at all, just that I find it strange someone who is far on one political spectrum would choose their avatar to be a character who is leaning in the opposite direction. If thats not allowed simply message me that rule i wasn't aware :)

I'm just a writer, not a moderator, don't worry. I was just shocked at that being a counterargument.

I wasn't saying it was a counterargument lmao

Just pointing out the nonsense of idolizing a character that doesn't stand for archaic backwards ideals. It would be like a lgbt hating person with a freddie mercury avatar or a sjw with a vote trump avatar.



Johnw1104 said:

I suspect these accusations all pale before the torturous, partly-self-imposed workload Sakurai takes on lol

Pretty sure employment laws are a lot more lax in Japan though.

Oh please, Sakurai's a genius who pours his heart and soul into what he does. Rockstar is just a slave labor camp, at least from what we've been hearing.