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Faelco said:
vivster said:

That's like the easiest way to get in besides getting a Japanese wife. Try to get in with a real job and you're fucked.

I am currently doing interviews for a real job, and as I said in an earlier post, yeah, it's hard. And so filled with BS at every step, I even wonder how they can have successful and innovative companies in Japan.

If I ever attempt it for real I hope I can get some kind of accountant who will lead me through the procedure.



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Faelco said:

Lots of different causes, mostly related to the issues of Japanese society.


One of them is that Japanese guys and girls are separated since they're kids. You always have groups of girls, groups of guys, but very few groups of both (only for events or group dates). Even when they go out to drink, it's usually between guys after work.

 

Young Japanese people also live a lot at their parents place, even until 30. Basically, if they're not married, most young women will live at their parents place to take care of them. They go to work (if they work...) and then go home to help at home. Few chances for meeting guys. That's surely why they invented love hotels by the way, you can't have sex in your parents house...


Japanese people are also introverts and hate taking risks and things that are out of their habits. To meet someone, they will usually go to specific group meetings made to help them find someone to marry. If you find a cute girl in the street and try to invite her on a date or just get her number, she will be scared and flee. Everything is very controlled and traditional here, even dating. One night stands are not in the culture at all.


And most Japanese people are not very interested by sex. Even when they're dating, they don't have sex that much. Don't know why exactly, I guess they have less hormones pushing them than us. Maybe the food, maybe genetics, maybe the stress about everything, surely a bit of everything...


Other thing, they have very few, almost no sexual education. They're illiterate when it comes to sex. No idea about STDs, contraception is not always known, the pill is annoying to get... I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them think sex=kids, and kids costs a fortune here...


I can't even blame them for finding porn a lot more convenient, Japanese society likes to make everything more difficult and annoying than it should be, and dating/sex is part of that.

 

EDIT: And yeah, of course, they are educated to focus on work work work, so work is the most important thing in their life for most of them. Nobody should ever take the risk of being tired at work just to go find a woman to have sex with the night before! It would be crazy, right? 

That cute girl in the street thing is the case for me in America.  It’s very hard to ask someone on a date and not be called a perv.  Honestly it’s just too scary To build up that reputation of a creep so I’ve just given up and accepted the friend zone with female friends



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Saeko said:
Earth is over populated already, i would wish every country would have decline.

Have you not heard of sex for fun?



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The costs of having and raising a child today is too much for young men/women to handle, thanks to the central banking/fiat currency system, you need to work more and more, and earn less and less relative to inflation, the result is having less time/spare money to spend on relationships. Much easier/cheaper to blow your load off a porn or hentai.

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Ganoncrotch said:
Final-Fan said:

Ganoncrotch, you can do better than this hysteria.  100% ... if not more!  lol

"a whopping 43% of the traditionally horny 18-34 age bracket, have never had sex."
- The OP, approximating from 42% of men and 44% of women in that age group. 

How do you square this with what you said?  It not only contradicts your hyperbole but also deeply undercuts your overall accusation, doesn't it?

[edit:  Actually, now that I am taking a closer look at these articles, I'm beginning to suspect that the aforementioned 18-34 age group is the entire basis of their stories.  It's not hard for me to believe that they oversimplified "43% of 18-34" to "almost half of under 40".  If anyone has evidence contradicting this view, please let me know.] 

Look having read the majority of the terribly written article that a lot of those figures are drawn from https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/young-single-people-in-japan-aren-t-having-sex-and-the-reason-is-proving-fatal which is where a lot of the OP's links cite as being the ones who looked deeper into the numbers, the analysis and interviews done by that outlet are done pretty much to get hits for the site, which they've done with fairly decent success, keep in mind that one of the links in the OP is also a 2 year old article based on something different but it's a good clickbaity title none the less.

I'm not going to waste more of my own time on this trash survey/article though but I will say this, you think that they asked any amount of 18 year old males if they had sex or not... and got an honest answer? from that point on you should know that the numbers in the survey are going to be no real indication of the real world, I would almost point out that the % of 18 year olds who might be doing a survey legitimately.... are going to be those who aren't having sex... because normal 18 year olds have better things to be doing than fill out surveys.

I couldn't find the actual data from the survey btw after checking through 2 of the articles but all I could find was %'ages and certain age groups along with qualifiers such as "of that age group who weren't married, X% was single and X% of those hadn't had sex" so if you have 100 people, 50 of which are married, 25 of which are in relationships then the % of the people who you are talking about being virgins is only 25% of the initial 100, even if 100% of that group are virgins... it's 25 out of 100 people, this is why % isn't the best way of tracking the real figures.

notice OP has left out some portions of quotes which state this, but in the original articles (which are really not worth the time of reading)

"Many aren’t having sex either. In fact, around 44 per cent of unmarried women and 42 per cent of unmarried men admit they are virgins, according to The 2015 National Fertility Survey, which is a kind of sex and relationship census conducted by the government every five years."

So yeah it's based on 44% of unmarried men which does not mean that nearly half are virgins... even if the survey was 100% correct it would mean that 44% of a certain % are virgins and again.... a large % of the unmarried will be minors.

This is a much better objection than the previous one. 



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Final-Fan said:
Ganoncrotch said:

Look having read the majority of the terribly written article that a lot of those figures are drawn from https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/young-single-people-in-japan-aren-t-having-sex-and-the-reason-is-proving-fatal which is where a lot of the OP's links cite as being the ones who looked deeper into the numbers, the analysis and interviews done by that outlet are done pretty much to get hits for the site, which they've done with fairly decent success, keep in mind that one of the links in the OP is also a 2 year old article based on something different but it's a good clickbaity title none the less.

I'm not going to waste more of my own time on this trash survey/article though but I will say this, you think that they asked any amount of 18 year old males if they had sex or not... and got an honest answer? from that point on you should know that the numbers in the survey are going to be no real indication of the real world, I would almost point out that the % of 18 year olds who might be doing a survey legitimately.... are going to be those who aren't having sex... because normal 18 year olds have better things to be doing than fill out surveys.

I couldn't find the actual data from the survey btw after checking through 2 of the articles but all I could find was %'ages and certain age groups along with qualifiers such as "of that age group who weren't married, X% was single and X% of those hadn't had sex" so if you have 100 people, 50 of which are married, 25 of which are in relationships then the % of the people who you are talking about being virgins is only 25% of the initial 100, even if 100% of that group are virgins... it's 25 out of 100 people, this is why % isn't the best way of tracking the real figures.

notice OP has left out some portions of quotes which state this, but in the original articles (which are really not worth the time of reading)

"Many aren’t having sex either. In fact, around 44 per cent of unmarried women and 42 per cent of unmarried men admit they are virgins, according to The 2015 National Fertility Survey, which is a kind of sex and relationship census conducted by the government every five years."

So yeah it's based on 44% of unmarried men which does not mean that nearly half are virgins... even if the survey was 100% correct it would mean that 44% of a certain % are virgins and again.... a large % of the unmarried will be minors.

This is a much better objection than the previous one. 

100% of the people in this thread who are posting at this very second agree with you!

But aye I'm just always looking at the figures which are included in the results of these surveys and the analysis of the data because they can make some fantastic headlines, but at times that's really all you can get out of them, was reading a similar analysis regarding white/black unemployment figures in an area in the States which showed that whites made up a larger % of the unemployed, but yeah.... the area in question had a far larger population of white people, can break that one down like this

100 people in a region

80 White / 20 Black

20 white people are unemployed / 20 black people are unemployed

of those on benefits the figures are 50/50 there are 40 people on benefits and 50% of them are white, or to spin it another way 50% of the unemployed are white. heck... you could get it to sound even worse if you wanted, if there is 30 white people out of work in this scenario it now means that you have 3/5 of the unemployed being white but only 2/5 of them are black. sounds like one side isn't pulling their weight right? Obviously in both the above scenarios 100% of the smaller group are unemployed, but the numbers can be masked by introducing a greater number of people of whom 3 in every 4 is working rather than the other side of the fence where 100% are not.

Sorry I'm a touch tired and my numbers could be incorrect here, been up for almost 20 hours now most of which was quite busy.

It's just always worth keeping in mind things like bias of the person doing the survey and writing the headline, when asking "what do they have to gain" clicks is money for sites publishing those things, clicks alone are worth publishing utter trash if it gets people in the proverbial door of the site.

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CuCabeludo said:

The costs of having and raising a child today is too much for young men/women to handle, thanks to the central banking/fiat currency system, you need to work more and more, and earn less and less relative to inflation, the result is having less time/spare money to spend on relationships. Much easier/cheaper to blow your load off a porn or hentai.

People mainly have sex for fun, not for children. And pounding off to porn isn’t the same as a relationship. That’s like saying looking at post cards is the same as traveling.



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thismeintiel said:

For the sake of the Japanese race and culture, I volunteer myself to impregnate as many as possible. Only doing my selfless duty for humanity. Yes, they will only be half-Japanese, but I think that will have to do.

Brother, I will join you so as not to overexert yourself!

I've started already.



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It seems like the higher the standards of living/education/intellect the lower the birthrates, so it is no wonder. The same thing was happening in the western europe until the middle eastern and african invasion hit



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