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Salnax said:

"When you hear Carnage, the only thing you can think of is R. But, if you know his story, if you really know the comic, there’s no R here. He’s a tortured soul. It’s not about what he does, because we never have to show the knife going from here to there, and the blood is pouring. What you have to show is, what is the motivation? Was he born like that, or [is he] someone we should feel for, because if you succeeding in making a villain someone you can feel for, jackpot.”

I'm going to let Carnage explain his character for me, using quotes from his appearances in the 90's.

But isn't that what you want to hear, Doctor? That I was a poor, abused child? That my mother beat me? My father molested me? That I was tortured and hung by my ankles above a pit of broken glass? Well, maybe that's all true. Or maybe... I'm just the inevitable aberration. The soul that's born so black, so twisted, so filled with unreasoning hatred... that there's no explanation. You can't make me sane, Doctor. You can't hope to redeem me. All you can do is kill me. Because, if you don't—I'll break out of here. You have my word on that. And the blood—the glorious blood—will flow like wine!"

"I am the ultimate insanity! I am CARNAGE!"

"My name is Cletus Kasady and I kill people and I LOVE it. I know nine million ways to kill a body and I love every ONE of them. All dull day every day right up until I hit the hay I think of bodies bodies slit right up the middle and shared across a hundred nice little gardens. And when I sleep I dream of ways to kill a body that ain't nobody thought of yet. And occasionally I dream of mom and pop squirting into that old garbage disposal and just grinding and gnawing on the old man's skull."

"You're probably asking... WHY do I kill... well, simple answer. It's PRETTY. Waking up in the morning and knowing you're going to kill someone... it's a BEAUTIFUL THING. Makes me feel like a GUNSHIP, like my engine's only turning over when I'm MOVING and KILLING. Makes me feel like God on the first monday morning."

"I AM those kids burning dogs and hobos in the dark alleyway. The woman cutting a hole in the tied-to-bed Mr. Goodbar and inserting a vacuum cleaner tube in his stomach. The wife shoving broken glass down the husbands throat. I'm the American flag on fire, the Founding Fathers crucified for a chat show, lies, cursed lies and government. I'm the end of the world as we know it and I feel like a DRINK. I'm CHAOS. CHAOS and the rest of the world won't ADMIT that it's JUST LIKE ME. And because o' THAT the world is WORTHLESS, it's dirt on my HEEL. Love means NOTHING. It's a planet of mannequins filled with blood and they may as well be torn up and burst and stamped on because what ELSE are they good for?"

This is not a PG-13 kind of guy.

IKR? He's, like, the least suitable character for a PG-13.



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Replicant said:
hunter_alien said:

Shhhhhhhh! Don't dare you bring in common sense in the Sony Studios bashing bandwagon! Its not like we even care that they have the Sony Classics branch, do we?

While I do agree that the blockbuster attempts of the studio failed in the last couple of years, they are very strong in the art-house department. 

Bold: Exactly. I see why people would want a gory Carnage movie but saying that Sony should leave the industry is such a knee jerk reaction.

Aggregating Box Office Mojo's data since 2001, total Oscar wins by studio are:

1. Fox + Fox Searchlight - 50
2. Sony Columbia + Sony Classics - 36
3. Warner Brothers + New Line Cinema (bought in 2008) - 32
4. Buena Vista + Walt Disney + Pixar - 30
5. Paramount + Paramount Vantage + DreamWorks (owned in 2006-2008) - 29
6. Miramax - 23
7. Universal + Focus Features (bought in 2016) - 22
8. Lionsgate - 20
9. Lantern Entertainment (former Weinstein Company) - 19

 

Edit: This year, movies by Sony Columbia and Sony Classics have 11 Oscar nominations.

Damn... the shocking thing for me is just how dominant Fox seems to be Nice catch



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Replicant said:
KManX89 said:

IKR? Can't wait to see Carnage stab push people and decapitate push people and maybe if we're lucky, we'll get to see a really gruesome scene of Carnage ripping someone in half and then devouring them pushing someone.

He's wrong BTW, Marvel/Disney already said they'll let Deadpool remain R-rated in the MCU (the way it should be) and they have R-rated Netflix shows for Punisher and DareDevil.  Not only that, but Wesley Snipes is in talks of bringing Blade to the big screen for phase 4 with TWO potential projects and there's no way in hell he'll agree to any less than the R rated goriness the series is known for, so they've already proven to be more trustworthy with handling ADULT properties than Sony. Nice try, though. 

Seriously, this is worse than the trash bag-wearing poor man's Imhotep Dr. Doom in Fant4shit in terms of character bastardization, and believe me, that's saying a lot.

Meh.. According to VGC users, Venom was enjoyable in spite of being PG-13.

You mean the same Venom movie where all the villain (Riot) did was push people away with his axe hands (and that's literally all he did)? Because that won't work with Carnage, sorry, it won't. He's SUPPOSED to viciously maim, slaughter and rip people to shreds, it's part of his character. Remember, he (Cletus Kasidy) was a mass-murdering lunatic BEFORE he got the Carnage symbiote (which is more powerful and sadistic than Eddie's Venom symbiote BTW), afterwards? Well, you connect the dots.

Avi Arad should be fired for saying that shit, he's the EPITOME of R-rated. Hell, Logan should've been PG-13 before a Carnage movie.

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KManX89 said:

Well, folks, time to get out them pitchforks, it looks like every Marvel fan's worst fears are coming true: Sony apparently intends to move forward with a kiddified (read: butchered), watered-down PG-13 Carnage sequel after all the backlash from Venom's PG-13 rating despite the fact that it makes about as much sense as a Teen-rated Deadpool or Punisher game: not at all. 

You read that right: Carnage, the character notorious for slicing people into a half dozen pieces and ripping people's guts out for fun, will apparently be PG-13.

Oh, but it doesn't end there, folks, wait til you hear the bullshit PR spinjob behind this move from the producer's own lips!

"When you hear Carnage, the only thing you can think of is R. But, if you know his story, if you really know the comic, there’s no R here. He’s a tortured soul. It’s not about what he does, because we never have to show the knife going from here to there, and the blood is pouring. What you have to show is, what is the motivation? Was he born like that, or [is he] someone we should feel for, because if you succeeding in making a villain someone you can feel for, jackpot.”

Nope no R here whatsoever :

But no need to SHOW a violent alien substance-fused serial killer in all his menacing glory! Instead, we should SYMPATHIZE with a mass-murdering, crazed lunatic who relentlessly maims people for his own sick pleasure, that's what's important!

So there you have it, ladies and gentlemen: Avi Arad once again proving he's a hack who doesn't know the character, the comics or basic storytelling. The most unkid-friendly Marvel character ever is in great hands!

Sony, please just stick to gaming and original films and leave Spider-Man films to a studio who actually knows what they're doing. You've proven time and time again you don't know how to handle properties not your own and are once again showing it here. There's no fucking way CARNAGE will work with anything less than an R, sorry, there isn't. If you thought PG-13 Venom was bad, you haven't seen anything yet. /endrant

   

Well, I've seem, at least in Brazil a lot of claims to sympathize with homicides and serial killers as they are victims of society. So we can put this garbage on the same toilet as Ghost Buster... I foresee claims of some hatred from extreme right as the cause for the movie downfall.



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ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Enemy said:
It's not like Venom is any good or making money. It only made a pathetic 300 million in 10 days with an atrocious audience rating of 89% and a B+. Before the movie was revealed everyone said Venom without Spiderman would be impossible and they were right.

Yeah, Sony should give the Venom and Carnage IP back to Disney so Disney can have a monopoly and so Marvel can make it R rated and gory. Marvel has a great track record with R rated horror movies. It would be awesome to see Carnage ripping out people's intestines while Captain America and Spiderman watch in shock. Marvel would totally allow it if enough internet nerds attack them on social media and ambush them in airport restrooms.

Thread should be fucking locked after this amazing post, people need to take Marvel balls out of their mouths, they do great shit like Avengers but medíocre shit too like antman, and turds like ironman 3 , Thor 2.critics are bashing and do shit reviewers because they want Marvel to get it all, this time people Spike. Venom was a sucessão, deal with it. Spiderman homecoming is mediocre also, i hope they get their shit together on far from home

"Marvel/Disney doesn't do 'edgy'"... riiiiiiight, which is why they said they'll let Deadpool remain R-rated in the MCU and, like I said earlier, Wesley Snipes is in talks of bringing Blade, another R-rated property to phase 4 of the MCU with TWO potential projects. You better believe he'll have something to say about that as Ryan Reynolds surely would have. I highly doubt they'd be having these talks with him if they weren't at least open to the idea of it being R-rated as it clearly should be (of course they are, they already said they're down with R-rated Deadpool), and unlike Sony with Carnage, I think they know it won't work unless it's R-rated. I trust Marvel/Disney with ADULT properties more than I do Sony right now, making a kid's movie with the least kid-friendly comic book character there is, you can't make this shit up.

And about the whole ripping out intestines thing: it's part of his character FYI, it's almost like saying the Punisher shouldn't be anything but the gun-totting badass who hunts and tortures gangsters John Wick-style that we've always known him to be (who BTW, has an R-rated Netflix show and an appearance in another from the suits at Marvel/Disney, another one-up on Sony). I'm sure the alternative of having Carnage push people (which is literally all Riot did to avoid an R rating for Venom) will be SO much better. /sarcasm

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Seriously, fuck Avi Arad, guy's a total fucking hack. How this guy still has a job after saying this shit is beyond me.

Yeah, Arad, a guy who pushed his grandmother down the steps and killing her, drilled his mother's dog's brains out after attempting to murder her by dropping a hair dryer in a bathtub and then goes on a massive killing spree, including burning down an orphanage before he finally puts on the red symbiote and starts massacring people in vomit-inducing ways just for fun after all that supposedly "not R" material, which includes him literally ripping their guts out and sawing them in half (!) and then throws a baby down a 5 story building is TOTALLY somebody we should feel sorry for and be aimed at your grandson.

Can't wait to see a nonviolent serial killer who doesn't stab people and a vampire who can't bite, that's gonna be epic.

At this point, I don't know who fucks up their comic book properties more: Sony or WB.



I wonder if it is even possible these days to make a good superhero film without it being "Rated R."

The whole genre feels neutered these days; completely lacking potency. Deadpool and Logan are really the only ones I can think of that I found good. Maybe for younger children other superhero films are still entertaining.

Rated PG for Piece of Garbage.



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Jumpin said:

I wonder if it is even possible these days to make a good superhero film without it being "Rated R."

The whole genre feels neutered these days; completely lacking potency. Deadpool and Logan are really the only ones I can think of that I found good. Maybe for younger children other superhero films are still entertaining.

Rated PG for Piece of Garbage.

While I still find enjoyment in PG-13 CBMs (Infinity War was fucking amazing), some comic book properties need an R rating in order to justify the elements of said character, this being one of them. For Sony to butcher Carnage like this and then insult our intelligence by saying "if you really know the comics, there is no R here" when in said comics, he literally rips people's guts out and mutilates them in extremely graphic detail is a whole other level of fail.

Moreover, I'm worried of the terrible precedent this COULD set. Before long, we could get PG-13 Deadpool (and not just the edit we're getting in December), PG-13 Punisher, PG-13 Blade, PG-13 Spawn, franchises that were never meant to be anything BUT R being kiddified. It's not about "needing to quench that blood lust", it's about respecting the damn source material. Hell, like I said earlier, Marvel is in talks with Wesley Snipes about a Blade movie for phase 4 of the MCU. This COULD spell trouble for that.  

I don't think Marvel is that stupid, though. I think they know it's an R-rated property through and through and was never meant to be anything less (and could never work with anything less), unlike Sony with Carnage.



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