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Forums - Nintendo Discussion - Wall Street Journal Japan Reports A New Switch Model Will Release In The Second Half Of 2019

Miyamotoo said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Maybe Nintendo could split the difference and launch a $230 Switch mini (Yes, I know the difference between $250 and $200 is $225 but companies like round numbers). 

Something that people forget is that the bezel does add some height to the Switch. So remove the bezel, make slightly smaller joycon, etc. 

It could be: 

$230 for Switch mini

$250 for Switch mini with dock

Nintendo is selling separate Dock for $80 and difference in price between $230 and $250 is almost non existent (we talking about less than 10% price difrence).

Sure but this is the same company that didnt put a charger in their new 3ds packages



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Miyamotoo said:
BlackBeauty said:
It will be an XL or Pro or S. A lite version makes zero sense because of the joy cons. It will break compatibility with Labo.

This new switch will most likely stay the same dimensions so the accessories fit.

And besides the new switch will push the price of the old switch down making that the default budget switch.

- Better screen
- Better improved more efficient SOC (likely custom based the tegra X2 or higher)
- Better Battery life because of the two points above
- Double the ram 8GB (already leaked through firmware)
- More storage (we could see Nintendo introducing variants like 64gb and 128gb options)

 

BlackBeauty said: 
Metroid 4, Bayonetta 3, Pokémon 2019, Monolith Soft new IP, Animal Crossing will be advertised along the new hardware and will take advantage of the extra power. 

Some of them could even be launch titles.

 

Nintendo is not Sony or MS, for Nintendo is far more important to have low price offer than actually more pricey and stronger price offer, especially now when 3DS is dying that currently covers low price offer for Nintendo on market.

Iwata want the switch family to be like iOS.

 

Why would you think the switch pro or s would be more expensive? It should be the same launch as price the OG Switch 300$

The iPhone (before X was introduced) all launched at the same price YEARLY. The older model simply got a permanent price cut when a new one launched.



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Miyamotoo said:

Nintendo is selling separate Dock for $80 and difference in price between $230 and $250 is almost non existent (we talking about less than 10% price difrence).

Sure but this is the same company that didnt put a charger in their new 3ds packages

Yes, in order to have lower price point, but that doesnt go against my point that when we talking about $250 and $230 price difference, we talking about almost non existent difference (we talking about less than 10% price difference).

 

 

BlackBeauty said: 
Miyamotoo said: 

Nintendo is not Sony or MS, for Nintendo is far more important to have low price offer than actually more pricey and stronger price offer, especially now when 3DS is dying that currently covers low price offer for Nintendo on market.

Iwata want the switch family to be like iOS.

Why would you think the switch pro or s would be more expensive? It should be the same launch as price the OG Switch 300$

The iPhone (before X was introduced) all launched at the same price YEARLY. The older model simply got a permanent price cut when a new one launched.

More like iOS or Android, and I think Nintendo is aiming something similar with Switch, multiply deviaces that are all part of same platform or family of devices.

Pro would be more expensive than current Switch in that time, and I talking about device that would be less expansive than current Switch in that time.

When they said that they want their platform to be more like iOS or Android they didnt had on mind Apple price points, but multiply different types of hardware that are all part of same platform and play same games, same like Android or iOS devices are part of same platform (Android or iOS platform).



the way nintendo prices things the OG switch will be $300 still, and the new one will be $350, maybe start at $400 then backlash, and then be $350. but i would welcome some more portable power.



 

It is almost certain that Switch will get a price cut (-50$) in 2019 and new Lite model. Maybe we will see Switch without dock for 199$, bundle with Pokemon RPG for 249$ and standard Switch (Lite) for 249$.



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Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:

Perhaps instead of making a Premium Switch for $300 and dropping the price on the standard model, they'll simply release the premium Switch at $350 to make the standard look cheaper by comparison.

We can realistically have current Switch version next year for $250, but thats still not low enough price option that will replace price point of market that 3DS currently covers, they will probably need $200 price offer next year espacily with launch of Animal Crossing and Pokemon gen 8.

Yea, Nintendo is definitely aiming at $199.99 or lower with this 2019 revision, they have had a cheap revision every time the first new gen Pokemon comes to one of the portable systems to get a ton of parents buying the game and console for their kids.

They did:
-GameBoy Color for $69.99
-GBA SP for $99.99
-DS Lite for $129.99
-2DS for $129.99

Those were all available within 2 months of the first new gen Pokemon (the first new gen DS Pokemon got delayed, but would have been released along side DS Lite, so the plan was the same)

Also, observing how Nintendo handled the 3DS revisions and pricing most recently indicates that they will do their best to maintain perceived value of each revision as best they can. (Something Nintendo does very well with both their hardware and software by maintaining price points)

In 2019 I think they will have 2DS at $49.99, N2DS XL at $99.99, Nintendo Switch Mini at $199.99, and then keep the OG Nintendo Switch at $299.99, but bundle a game with it.

And then in 2020 or 2021, we may see a Nintendo Switch Deluxe for $299.99 with better battery life and a larger screen, but still no performance difference. At that time, also a price drop on the OG model to $229.99 without a game bundled and the Mini model to $179.99 (or even $149.99 depending on how manufacturing cost reductions go). And then, the option for Nintendo to make a later revision with a performance boost is still on the table.

That strategy keeps manufacturing cost lower while maintaining higher perceived value and price points of each model for a longer duration, while also addressing different price entry points for different buyers.

The idea of selling a performance boosted Nintendo Switch Pro for $299.99 and slashing the OG Switch to $199.99 in 2019 would be much a much less profitable of a strategy.

A cost saving 2DS-esque revision released after a Pro model would be expected to be sold for a much, much lower margin in turn. And, even a battery boosted model would have to replace the OG model due to not having enough pricing space above the OG model.

The opportunity to release a performance boosted model later is also diminished, as the first boosted Pro model in 2019 would make buyers reluctant to buy another one (and a later released Pro model would have better features for people wanting a premium model anyway, making a 2019 Pro model less beneficial for both Nintendo and Pro model buyers).

Basically, the 2019 Nintendo Switch Pro strategy just ends up more costly in both manufacturing and revision opportunities.

Also, Fragmenting the user base with upgraded hardware required games does not increase third party support due financial reasons, i.e. the smaller user base of the upgraded hardware is just less potential sales compared just supporting the original hardware (making the fragmentation strategy a rather moot extra cost).

Last edited by trent44 - on 08 October 2018

Miyamotoo said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Sure but this is the same company that didnt put a charger in their new 3ds packages

Yes, in order to have lower price point, but that doesnt go against my point that when we talking about $250 and $230 price difference, we talking about almost non existent difference (we talking about less than 10% price difference).

Which is more than what a charger would have added to the cost of a New 3ds



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Miyamotoo said:

Yes, in order to have lower price point, but that doesnt go against my point that when we talking about $250 and $230 price difference, we talking about almost non existent difference (we talking about less than 10% price difference).

Which is more than what a charger would have added to the cost of a New 3ds

Doesn't matter, you didn't had less than 10% price difference between some 3DS price points.



Miyamotoo said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Which is more than what a charger would have added to the cost of a New 3ds

Doesn't matter, you didn't had less than 10% price difference between some 3DS price points.

???

Because you didn't have 3DS systems that were competing based on whether or not they had a charger 

The biggest reason to make two different price points for the same model (the Switch mini) is that the Switch at $300 with a dock included is at the price point of a one-per-household system. If Nintendo can bring that number down as early as possible while still making money on a unit they would be golden. 

You say that docks are priced at $80 but that doesn't really mean shit because that's not how much they cost to make, likely the $20 difference would already make Nintendo a profit. 

You are very obsessed with the % difference but again, we are talking about the same model. You are arguing this as if I said that the Switch Pro should be $320, the Switch $300 and the Switch mini $280. Which is not what i'm saying. I'm literally just saying that Nintendo could take out some quirks and price the Switch mini at an even lower value for those that only really want a cheap handheld. So I don't understand why you are so vehement against the point. And the $230 number is literally just something I pulled from my ass, could be $220, or $240, all depends on how the regular Switch mini is priced. 

The only reason we even have ideas like this though is because making the Switch compatible with a lot of budgets earlier on is what will make it rise to a multiple system per household kind of deal. 

But if you're just going to keep arguing that what I'm saying is unrealistic and won't happen ... then yes, I already know that. 



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Miyamotoo said:

Doesn't matter, you didn't had less than 10% price difference between some 3DS price points.

???

Because you didn't have 3DS systems that were competing based on whether or not they had a charger 

The biggest reason to make two different price points for the same model (the Switch mini) is that the Switch at $300 with a dock included is at the price point of a one-per-household system. If Nintendo can bring that number down as early as possible while still making money on a unit they would be golden. 

You say that docks are priced at $80 but that doesn't really mean shit because that's not how much they cost to make, likely the $20 difference would already make Nintendo a profit. 

You are very obsessed with the % difference but again, we are talking about the same model. You are arguing this as if I said that the Switch Pro should be $320, the Switch $300 and the Switch mini $280. Which is not what i'm saying. I'm literally just saying that Nintendo could take out some quirks and price the Switch mini at an even lower value for those that only really want a cheap handheld. So I don't understand why you are so vehement against the point. And the $230 number is literally just something I pulled from my ass, could be $220, or $240, all depends on how the regular Switch mini is priced. 

The only reason we even have ideas like this though is because making the Switch compatible with a lot of budgets earlier on is what will make it rise to a multiple system per household kind of deal. 

But if you're just going to keep arguing that what I'm saying is unrealistic and won't happen ... then yes, I already know that. 

Charger doesn't really matter, point is that is much small difference in price to make different price points.

Also I dont see point of two SKU-s, one of Switch Mini without dock and one Switch Mini with dock, point is to offer lower price point, so you will need almost certain only Switch Mini without dock but probably you could buy dock separate if you want. Also, with your SKUs offer, who on earth would buy Switch Mini whithout dock when just for $20 they have one with dock, while separate dock costs $80!?It doesn't make sense at all.

 

At end, in one point I could see something like this (but of course price points really depends from that one we could have this and how much costs will be down buy than):

-Switch Mini/Pocket (only without charger) - around $180

-Current Switch - around $250

-Switch Pro - $300

Last edited by Miyamotoo - on 08 October 2018