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When will an improved switch-hardware be released?

End of 2019, I think so too. 16 25.40%
 
2020! 22 34.92%
 
2021. 11 17.46%
 
Maybe.. (other year or theory) 7 11.11%
 
nintendo will only develo... 4 6.35%
 
see results 3 4.76%
 
Total:63

October 2020. That’ll set them up for a new console release in Q3 2023.



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If we are talking improved like the "new 3DS" or "DSi" then I would guess 2020.  If we are talking improved like PS4 pro or XB1X, then never.



Miyamotoo said:

Because Nintendo always had low price and high price point offer on market, Switch with its price point of $300 is high price offer, 3DS with $200-80 is currently low price offer, Nintendo handhelds always had low price point and thats why they were selling like device per person (for instance family with more kids will much more likly buy several Nintendo handhelds for each kid if price point is low enugh), and when 3DS dies Switch will still have price point that will be above $200 (probably around $250), they will need $150-200 Switch offer when 3DS dies. 

Less parts, less tech, smaller form factor, package...means less costs. Of Course that smaller Switch, smaller factor size, smaller screen, without dock, built in controls instead of detachable Joy Cons and whithout some features from Joy Cons, whithout parts need for playing in docked mode, HDMI cable,  smaller package...all means much less cost. So yeah, I think that all that could cut down cost for around $100 compared to regular Switch. 

Switch Mini/Pocket just for handheld play like real replacement for 3DS price point just make too much sense,  and I think we will see something like maybe even next year.

Naturally I disagree with most of that but fair enough! We'll see what Nintendo does soon enough.

 

zorg1000 said:

Because Nintendo eventually wants Switch to become a one per person system along with attracting more kids, families & budget conscience consumers.

I think $199 + game with occasional sales is plenty good enough for that.

Most likely when PS5 and the next Xbox will release. They will probably try to act like Switch is now a 9th gen console and can compete with the other 9th gen consoles with their new model.



I said end of 2019, though I thought you were talking about the normal revisions to Nintendo's portables. I don't expect a more powerful Switch (outside of maybe just the latest version of its cpu which will maybe give a little better battery life or improve any frame rate issues in current games or whatever). But no there isn't gonna be like a Pro type system. But I do expect end of next year they'll come out with a new revision priced at $300 so they can drop the OG Switch to $250. The revision I'd expect would fill in some of the dead space with a bigger screen, maybe have a little better battery life, and maybe like 128GB disk space...I just realized I really can't think of a way to improve the Switch other that those three things. Switch is pretty close to perfect as is. But no doubt they'll do something to keep a $300 price on the market for premium buyers for another couple of years.



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Lonely_Dolphin said:
Miyamotoo said:

Because Nintendo always had low price and high price point offer on market, Switch with its price point of $300 is high price offer, 3DS with $200-80 is currently low price offer, Nintendo handhelds always had low price point and thats why they were selling like device per person (for instance family with more kids will much more likly buy several Nintendo handhelds for each kid if price point is low enugh), and when 3DS dies Switch will still have price point that will be above $200 (probably around $250), they will need $150-200 Switch offer when 3DS dies. 

Less parts, less tech, smaller form factor, package...means less costs. Of Course that smaller Switch, smaller factor size, smaller screen, without dock, built in controls instead of detachable Joy Cons and whithout some features from Joy Cons, whithout parts need for playing in docked mode, HDMI cable,  smaller package...all means much less cost. So yeah, I think that all that could cut down cost for around $100 compared to regular Switch. 

Switch Mini/Pocket just for handheld play like real replacement for 3DS price point just make too much sense,  and I think we will see something like maybe even next year.

Naturally I disagree with most of that but fair enough! We'll see what Nintendo does soon enough.

 

zorg1000 said:

Because Nintendo eventually wants Switch to become a one per person system along with attracting more kids, families & budget conscience consumers.

I think $199 + game with occasional sales is plenty good enough for that.

Absolutely, $199 w/game is a great price for a few years but at some point they will do some cost cutting  revisions to get the price as low as possible like they did with 2DS or Wii Mini.



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zorg1000 said:
Absolutely, $199 w/game is a great price for a few years but at some point they will do some cost cutting  revisions to get the price as low as possible like they did with 2DS or Wii Mini.
Mid-cycle like 2DS no way, but at the end of the systems life like Wii Mini I can agree with.

About the only thing that makes sense is using APU that can deliver docked performance in hand-held mode.
Probably as option you can turn off, in favor of better battery life.
Really there is huge room for improvement because they didn't even use standard 14nm process even cheap Androids do.
That process alone offers ~30% power/performance benefit from my understanding, which along with other updates
could probably allow same performance as docked while in hand-held mode (if resolution isn't increased, even more easily).



Lonely_Dolphin said:

But why does Nintendo want to go so cheap though?

Why not? There is a reason why Nintendo/Sony have multiple consoles at different price points.
Not everyone can afford higher priced electronics.

Lonely_Dolphin said:

Removing a desired feature may reduce price but it also reduces value, while removing an undesirable feature lowers cost without decreasing value much if at all, that's the difference.

Value is subjective, you cannot assume everyone has the same needs/wants/desires as yourself.
If a user is going to use the Switch permanantly like a fixed console... Then there is no value in having the Display, 3 batteries, Acceleromoter, Gyroscope, Display, Dock and all the other bits and pieces that makes it portable.

But they would find a device that forgo's all that at a much reduced price a more valued prospect.

Lonely_Dolphin said:

Course the 2DS made the mistake of also getting rid of the clamshell design, so despite being the cheapest model it sold worse than the regular, atleast iirc. Really don't see Nintendo repeating this mistake.

It still appealed to some consumers.
Nintendo did release a successor to the 2DS with a clamshell design.

Lonely_Dolphin said:

I didn't say they couldn't cut cost, only that they don't need to.

To be fair, Nintendo doesn't have to do anything.


trent44 said:

So will the future revisions of Nintendo Switch come with an X2, or X3, or a custom die shrunk of the X1, or whatever they end up revising the hardware with?

Entirely up to nVidia.
Even before the Switch released however... There was already a successor to the chip found in the Switch which is significantly more energy efficient and ISA compatible.
That is likely the chip revision Nintendo will go for.

But die-shrinks in general is entirely up to nVidia, considering Nintendo is using off the shelf components, the older 20nm fabrication process is going to be cheap.

trent44 said:

Going for a higher resolution, CPU/GPU clocks, etc. would increase cooling and battery costs, and would limit how much the price could drop.

Not exactly. It depends on a ton of other factors.
For example, you can take the Nintendo Switch's tegra chip... And with aggressive binning... Have chips that hit higher clock speeds with lower voltages, so you get more performance with less power consumption.

trent44 said:

Even a "premium model" XL SKU would probably focus on extending battery life and reducing the size of the bezel and having a 7 inch 720P screen; a TV only model would probably focus on going ultra low price, etc.

I hope 720P goes away.
1080P IPS isn't that expensive, it's 2018, almost 2019.

mutantsushi said:
About the only thing that makes sense is using APU that can deliver docked performance in hand-held mode.
Probably as option you can turn off, in favor of better battery life.
Really there is huge room for improvement because they didn't even use standard 14nm process even cheap Androids do.
That process alone offers ~30% power/performance benefit from my understanding, which along with other updates
could probably allow same performance as docked while in hand-held mode (if resolution isn't increased, even more easily).

14nm is based on 20nm anyway, with a sprinkling of Finfet and a few other improvements.
The Tegra chip in the Switch is 20nm Planar.



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Dr.Vita said:
Most likely when PS5 and the next Xbox will release. They will probably try to act like Switch is now a 9th gen console and can compete with the other 9th gen consoles with their new model.

Switch is not directly competing with current gen stationary consoles, but rather it is complimenting them like other portable handheld systems did in the past. If/when Nintendo does make a revision or successor to the Switch, it will be in order to prolong platform sales and potentially expand the system's b ase as opposed to try to compete with systems that in reality will not be in the same device catagory and hence not in direct competition to the Switch. That would be like Apple releasing new iPhones to compete with new desktop computers.