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dx11332sega said:

I think Africans americans should fix there own cities because I watched on youtube an independant african that said they should worry about africans killing africans more than cops killing africans because it is higher like 200 percent vs a small percent of cops treating africans indiferent IDK I might be missinformed and this is more important than africans in general he also said the something about africans commiting more crime due to bad influence to rap about calling another african the N or B word and undermining women as hoes and thats warping the black communities and rap influence hate to cops which is why cops are extra careful when approaching an african some cops panick and make the dicision though there are few bad cops that hurt africans on purpose but these aren't majority of American cops way of thinking and the the country is focusing on the few incidents with cops and he feels more terrible that blacks lie cheat steal murder other blacks than any other race why is noone talking about that he says?

Because he's got his fingers in his ears.  That's a known issue for decades.  It's been talked about, still talked about and it relates to inequality. 

Also, music is a reflection of society, it doesn't create the society.

 

If you are willing to watch that video, I can link you several more that refute his points and explain the source problems with all those issues rather than talking about just the symptoms. 



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KLAMarine said:

Machiavellian said:

Does that mean if you do not die, you have not sacrifice anything.  Or are you saying you must serve in the military in order to be considered sacrificing anything.  Just wondering because anytime I hear someone talk about sacrificing something they throw in pictures like this.  I guess the rest of us must be trash then if this is what it really means to sacrifice.

To give ones life for a cause many would consider 'sacrificing everything'. Of course, just because you don't give up your life doesn't mean you're trash, it just means you were only willing to go so far.

Going back to the Nike ad, I find the wording unfortunate. Did Colin really 'sacrifice everything' when he's got a big marketing deal with a huge corporation like Nike?

I could say more but I'll leave it at that for now...


Yes giving your life is the ultimate sacrifice but it's not the only one.  Using one extreme doesn't disqualify another.  I remember when this first came out and a friend of mine asked me what did I think about the whole thing.  I told him that I do not believe Kap understand where he is going and where it would end.  I told him I wonder if Kap is committed to what he believes because the end result will be him getting fired, whatever he is protesting about will be turned to something else and that any message he will try to present will be twisted to represent what people want to hear not what he wants to say.

As to did Colin sacrifice everything, depends.  Just because he got a marketing deal with Nike now doesn't mean he did not sacrifice anything before.  The key will be where does he go next.  Do he really want to take the next step.

As for Nike, this is very interesting choice for them and I know they had to do the numbers before going with Kap.  I would love to have been in the meeting when this was brought up.



CosmicSex said:
Aeolus451 said:

What kind of race baiting questions are those, Sharpton? Colin didn't do any of that for some noble cause. He's an idiot who made some piss poor excuse for why he was being disrespectful to the country. 

Yes trying to start a conversation about black people being killed by the police is stupid and disrespectful to 'the country'.  

As a black person who has witnessed it, I can tell you that wanting to stand up for my life in this country isnt a piss poor reason. It won't stop because black people will NEVER die for you.  Got it.  Nope.  You don't get it.  Lol.  It's okay.  Just know that it won't stop because we think our live are worth fight for.

You are all like "how dare you speak up for yourself"?  

Okay. You're strawmanning me with this race stuff and acting like I'm in the KKK. I'm not white enough.The conversation about police brutality has been going on for decades outside of football. Since you keep bringing it up, I'll poke some holes thru your theory. Colin's particular claim isn't based on reality these days and it's race baiting. Statistics don't support what he's saying. I'm sure that blacks committing the majority of the murders/robberies in the US per year and perpetuating that "resist the cops" mentality have something to do with the frequency of police interactions and escalation of those interactions. 

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43

"In shootings in these 10 cities involving officers, officers were more likely to fire their weapons without having first been attacked when the suspects were white."

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprising-new-evidence-shows-bias-in-police-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.person

I wonder if you work for Al Sharpton or something.

 

There's a ton of reasons why those idiots are "taking a knee" since he started sitting/kneeling later on. It's not about a specific issue. It's disrespectful of a millionaire football player to virtue signal during the national anthem at football games for any reason. 



Yeah, let's put our shoes on fire, that'll teach them! Reminds me of when angry mobs are burning the flag of a country they don't like.



SpokenTruth said:
SecondWar said:
The backlash just symbolises blind loyalty. But there seems to be a good number of people who just don't want to hear about it. They would say, protest in a different way - but how exactly? To some people it appears to be 'unpatriotic' to highlight issues that dampen a belief of so ething that is believed to be perfect, an obsession some people seem to have taken to practically religious extremes.

Im am curious however. If I was to wear a blindfold during the anthem, as a symbol of blind loyalty, how would that be received?

Aeolus451 said:

What kind of race baiting questions are those, Sharpton? Colin didn't do any of that for some noble cause. He's an idiot who made some piss poor excuse for why he was being disrespectful to the country. 

Did you just say he came up with his reason for kneeling after the fact? 

KLAMarine said:

"protest in a different way - but how exactly?"

Not in the middle of work.

Guess we'll just go back to 16 hour work days, no overtime, no paid time off, no vacations, child labor, etc... Yeah, never protest at work.

Or even before the clock starts.  Because the game hadn't even started yet.  Because taking a knee before the game and taking a knee during the game mean two very different things.

KLAMarine said:

What is his stance? I don't even know. I do know he's a face on a Nike ad about 'sacrificing everything'.

Hold on.  Did you just admit you have no idea what he is even protesting about? 

OMG.  This is why they still take a knee.  You put your head in the sand, don't give a damn what the purpose is and then proclaim disrespect of the flag and anthem.  This is privilege, people.  This is "I can ignore the issue because it doesn't affect me" privilege.  This is "I can claim indignity without knowing anything about it" privilege.  You have the luxury of not having to deal with the very issues that Kaepernick and others are protesting and therefore you also have the luxury of redirecting their protest into your protest of them.

OMG this. All of this! 



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Carl said:
Loony far right idiots are salty as fuck over it and it's hilarious.

Good on Nike and good on Kap for sticking it to 'em.

Are you ka-ping or something? If you're gonna do this, at least try to be a bit correct. Alot of normal right leaning people don't like it because it's just virtue signaling that's very disrespectful to the country and it politicizes America's favorite sport. 



Aeolus451 said:

Are you ka-ping or something? If you're gonna do this, at least try to be a bit correct. Alot of normal right leaning people don't like it because it's just virtue signaling that's very disrespectful to the country and it politicizes America's favorite sport. 

If normal right leaning people are putting those issues above the continued racism in American society, fuck 'em.



                            

Overall its a pretty joke campaign. Kap hasn't sacrifice ''everything'' or really anything. Like others have said,instead of people burning shoes and doing things like that, people should really be protesting the sweatshops and the treatment of those people.



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It's also funny to see American patriots and nationalists burning American products and intending to boycott an American company.



Carl said:
Aeolus451 said:

Are you ka-ping or something? If you're gonna do this, at least try to be a bit correct. Alot of normal right leaning people don't like it because it's just virtue signaling that's very disrespectful to the country and it politicizes America's favorite sport. 

If normal right leaning people are putting those issues above the continued racism in American society, fuck 'em.

Like the left is? They're constantly ignoring cases of racism like that new york times writer and South Africa. "Do as we say, not as we do". At least the right understands the definition of racism and is against it regardless of who or what race does it, they just don't virtue signal about it.