RolStoppable said:
KLAMarine said:
Except to misinterpret someone is not a crime, it's just human error. A gesture like kneeling is likely to invite misinterpretation due to its ambiguity.
Rape IS a crime.
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Not sure about the USA, but here slander and libel are crimes that can lead to conviction and fines. The misinterpretation of Kaepernick's actions wasn't a misunderstanding, but deliberate.
As someone who has followed the NFL for years, Kaepernick's reason for kneeling during the anthem was clearly explained by sports reporters when he started doing it. The only way to misinterpret it is if someone purposefully wants it to be something that it is not. That's heinous and shouldn't be defended.
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Potential for misunderstanding is everywhere hence the need for thorough clarity.
Jumpin said: I'm mostly amused at how conservatives are so fucking outraged about one of the tamest protest movements I have ever seen. It looks like what they have done has worked far better than anyone expected. Anyway, it sounds like Republicans are buying Nikes to cut them up or burn them. Their sales have gone up by 31%. Their current market cap at 133B is an all-time high. |
I'm not sure it's Republicans who are buying Nikes and I don't think Nike is foolish enough to not understand who their market is.
SpokenTruth said:
KLAMarine said:
It's inevitable that any protest be met with some resistance for whatever reason. My problem with kneeling is there is a better way to protest. Doing it during the anthem gives people license to treat the protest or intended discussion about something else other than police brutality or even just spite it because it happens during the anthem which is profound and sacred to many people.
Now that you bring up Dr. King, Dr. King had it right:
Clearly worded, neatly worded signs during peaceful marches were the right way and making speeches. Dr. King was known for his oratory and one of his major highlights, my favorite one, a speech before the Lincoln Memorial.
I'm sure Dr. King alienated some but his dedication to non-violence ensured that was kept to a minimum.
Kaepernick seems more known for his silence or one would think per the New York Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/04/sports/colin-kaepernick-nfl-anthem-kneeling.html
Silence isn't really dialogue or at least, not a terribly engaging form of dialogue...
At the end of the day, I'm not saying one shouldn't protest during the anthem. I'm just saying if one wishes to do so, they should prepare for their words (or lack of words) and intentions to be twisted and warped by those who were alienated not by the substance of the protest but rather by its form.
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Remember that "don't protest like that" picture I posted? Here you are telling them how to protest. But when they do protest like that, they still get told not to do that.
First several entries in a Google search for "Protest blocking streets" are all about "don't protest that way". That same year as your Dr. King picture above, the police water cannoned the protestors as he led them in the streets in Montgomery, Alabama. Hell, water cannons have been used as recently as 2 years ago....with temperatures down to 23 degrees F.
Y'all won't be happy unless they protest in a way that isn't seen or heard.
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"Remember that "don't protest like that" picture I posted? Here you are telling them how to protest."
>I disagree but for the sake of argument, let's say I did just tell them how to protest. Was there something wrong with the way I told them how to protest? Did I deny them six different ways to voice their grievances like in the picture you posted?
"But when they do protest like that, they still get told not to do that."
>I suggest they learn to ignore unreasonable demands or better yet, learn how to respond to unreasonable demands much like Dr. King learned to ignore/respond to some of his detractors.
"First several entries in a Google search for "Protest blocking streets" are all about "don't protest that way"."
>That makes some sense. What if an ambulance, police car, or fire truck is trying to get through to an emergency situation but traffic caused by protestors blocking streets hold them up?
"That same year as your Dr. King picture above, the police water cannoned the protestors as he led them in the streets in Montgomery, Alabama."
>And I recall it winning the protestors support from the public.
"Y'all won't be happy unless they protest in a way that isn't seen or heard."
>Y'all? I'm only one person, who is this "y'all"?
EricHiggin said:
So in a game where your expected to act in a proper civilized manner (much like life in general), she's the worst offender of all time, and she expects people to listen to her? That's like saying the worst most vile criminal in the world is fighting for human rights, so we should all listen to them with our undivided attention. The villain obviously knows best.
If your looking to point out how unfair things are, being the best at being the worst is not how you go about it. Complaining about those white men who get away with everything, all 9 of them, makes waaaay too much sense when she's number 1. LOL
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I don't know if she's the worst offender, just that the list has her at number 1. Perhaps her getting penalized recently had nothing to do with her being a woman or being black and just had to do with her being Serena Williams?..
I don't know, honestly. I don't follow tennis...