Final-Fan said:
And like conservatives believing in conservation. Now you're getting it! |
you don't consider state funded health care, education, child care, state control of business etc etc etc socialism?
Final-Fan said:
And like conservatives believing in conservation. Now you're getting it! |
you don't consider state funded health care, education, child care, state control of business etc etc etc socialism?
o_O.Q said:
you don't consider state funded health care, education, child care, state control of business etc etc etc socialism? |
That could be social democracy too, but the tight control nazism had on everything can't be defined social democracy, as it lacked democracy at all. It wasn't maximalist socialism, as it didn't abolish private property, but it was a non maximalist, but totalitarian form of socialism because of that tight control of property and production, and above all because people, while they were provided by the state a level of assistance broader than in capitalist states, could do WHAT THEY WERE ALLOWED, not, like in a democracy, anything that isn't explicitly forbidden.
| LudicrousSpeed said: SJW will be the death of ‘murica. Racist idiots on one side, perpetually butthurt weaklings on the other. |
American did great for hundreds of years in spite of racism. In fact, people from all over world want to be here in spite of the horrible racism the media pushes.
The real death of America is socialism, abysmal handling of immigration, being weak on crime, debt, etc. Left wing ideologies in general is corrosive and we lean into even while watching other countries struggle with some of these terrible ideas.
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Aeolus451 said:
Yep, nazism is just nationalistic socialism. Basically, any of the countries that have tried actual socialism become one party authoritarian states that are nationalistic. They have to around capitalist counties that give truth to the lie. Take North Korea, Russia or China as examples. |
thismeintel is actually right.
Nazi's are actually National Socialists.
That is, they are very very far-right, but take a socialist approach to various things like it's markets... I.E. People worked collectively for the good of the country, setting aside personal interests (I.E. Money, Career etc'.) for the greater good.
In other words the state and not the markets dictated the shape of the economy.
Facism is separate from all this.
The issue people have I think is that they see the political spectrum purely in left vs right, when in-fact you can take ideas from both.
Hitler and the Nazi party were most certainly far right-wing as they can go, they were facist nationalists (I.E. Less extreme version of Trump), but they had left-wing underpinnings to markets and social hierarchy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
I would still be hesitant ever calling the Nazi's left-wing in the same league as say... ANTIFA.
| Mr Puggsly said: American did great for hundreds of years in spite of racism. In fact, people from all over world want to be here in spite of the horrible racism the media pushes. The real death of America is socialism, abysmal handling of immigration, being weak on crime, debt, etc. Left wing ideologies in general is corrosive and we lean into even while watching other countries struggle with some of these terrible ideas. |
Everything you said... Was wrong.
| Chris Hu said: Its a well known fact that Alex Jones is trans and homophobic but your the guy that thinks that the Nazi's where socialist so I'm not going argue with you. But since you lack basic knowledge about the Nazi's read this: |
Evidence? I know Alex Jones lives in an alternate universe that only prescribes to his own narrative...
But other than the "Frogs are gay" rant, I haven't seen him be Homophobic or Transphobic?

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Pemalite said:
thismeintel is actually right.
Everything you said... Was wrong. Evidence? I know Alex Jones lives in an alternate universe that only prescribes to his own narrative... |
Socialism is a left wing ideology only but things like fascism and nationalism can be on left. Russia, China and NK fits those definitions but they are left wing. Left wing scholars are the ones who determined that nazism is far right. Let's say Africa becomes some kind of socialist state but black supremacists are the ruling party. Are they considered far right because of the racial component?
Antifa are a oxymoron because they act like fascists more than the people they typically attack. If given a country to rule, they would fit the definition perfectly.

Sounds like he was banned for nothing to me. Admin was lazy so he banned whoever that guy is account instead of dealing with the fake reports, makes sense.
Alby_da_Wolf said:
That could be social democracy too, but the tight control nazism had on everything can't be defined social democracy, as it lacked democracy at all. It wasn't maximalist socialism, as it didn't abolish private property, but it was a non maximalist, but totalitarian form of socialism because of that tight control of property and production, and above all because people, while they were provided by the state a level of assistance broader than in capitalist states, could do WHAT THEY WERE ALLOWED, not, like in a democracy, anything that isn't explicitly forbidden. |
the thing about democracy is that the majority of people in a country can be stupid and vote for stupid things such as for a dictator who abuses them
this is why the us for example has a constitution to stop idiots from voting their rights away
but of course people are now moving towards the idea that the constitution must be done away with and there's a reason for that
Pemalite said:
Everything you said... Was wrong. |
I just read what I said. I'm actually 100% correct.
Anyway, I've talked to you before about some of this. You live in homogeneous isolated country that handles immigration and spending very different from the US.
The average left winger in the US would argue Australian policies are racist and unfair.
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| Aeolus451 said: Socialism is a left wing ideology only but things like fascism and nationalism can be on left. Russia, China and NK fits those definitions but they are left wing. Left wing scholars are the ones who determined that nazism is far right. Let's say Africa becomes some kind of socialist state but black supremacists are the ruling party. Are they considered far right because of the racial component? Antifa are a oxymoron because they act like fascists more than the people they typically attack. If given a country to rule, they would fit the definition perfectly. |
Facism and Nationalism is very much Right-Wing.
You can be a right-wing, facist, nationalist party with left-wing socialist aspects.
They aren't either/or, you can be both.
Also... The farther left or right you go, the more they become the same. - You should read up on the Horseshoe political theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory
ANTIFA only exist as opponents to facism, they are extreme, they don't represent the left anymore than Nazi's represent everyone on the right, they are both disgusting fringe groups that should be ridiculed and condemned by all, no exception.
| Mr Puggsly said: I just read what I said. I'm actually 100% correct. |
I 100% disagree.
| Mr Puggsly said: Anyway, I've talked to you before about some of this. You live in homogeneous isolated country that handles immigration and spending very different from the US. |
My country has very strong, nationalistic, protectionist ideas... And to be frank that has benefited the nation as a whole.
Unlike most other people, I am happy to support either the left or the right, because I don't give actually give a shit... Rather I weigh up the Pro's and Con's of any topic and go with whomever has the best evidence/argument.
| Mr Puggsly said: The average left winger in the US would argue Australian policies are racist and unfair. |
Well. Our country, our laws. - It's served us extremely well, the USA should take note of how proactive we are in securing our borders.
As a nation we generally don't give a crap what the outside world thinks.

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Aeolus451 said:
Oh so like liberals believing in liberalism? Nazis were national socialists because it's what that political party ran on to gain power and it's what galvanized the people behind him. There's no reason to doubt he would have followed thru on some kind of socialism given he followed thru on his rhetoric about jews. |
The main reason the fascists gained power in both Italy and Germany is because of the aid of capitalists even before fascists gained power they where used by capitalist to keep workers down. There was nothing socialist about them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3Pi_uBJ1HU