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Final-Fan on 01 September 2018
o_O.Q said:
Final-Fan said:

Wait, "would have"?  The Nazis were in power for over a decade.  If they didn't make moves toward what you are calling "socialism" in that time, they weren't gonna.  I mean seriously you'd be the first person to say the Nazis weren't go-getters. 

you don't consider state funded health care, education, child care, state control of business etc etc etc socialism?

Read more carefully.  "There's no reason to doubt he would have followed thru on some kind of socialism given he followed thru on his rhetoric about jews."  This implies to me that he had not yet "followed thru on some kind of socialism" by the time of his downfall, because, if he had, then "would have" (hypothetical scenario) would make no sense to talk about if he had already DONE IT.  What I said was, essentially, that if there's something the Nazis held as a core ideal, they definitely would have done something about it in the over a decade that they had control of the country—whether that's socialism or getting rid of Jews. 



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Chris Hu on 01 September 2018
o_O.Q said:
Chris Hu said:

Its a well known fact that Alex Jones is trans and homophobic but your the guy that thinks that the Nazi's where socialist so I'm not going argue with you.  But since you lack basic knowledge about the Nazi's read this:

http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf

"Its a well known fact that Alex Jones is trans and homophobic"

lol so you can't provide anything to substantiate your claims as usual?

 

"but your the guy that thinks that the Nazi's where socialist"

because the vast majority of their policies were socialist policies... which is a fact... a fact that you have agreed on already

that link you have posted does not mention the fact that the nazis still controlled those businesses... um... can you tell me whether government control of means of production is capitalist or socialist?

besides that all you have to claim that they were capitalist is what? that they were fans of ford? lmao

what i will say is that its funny to me how you've allowed the cognitive dissonance to warp your perception of reality on this issue so wildly

it truly is a sight to behold

I already said before that the capitalists helped the Nazi's gain power but you just  like to do selective reading.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3Pi_uBJ1HU

What truly is a sight to behold is how ***** you are.



Chris Hu on 01 September 2018
Aeolus451 said:
thismeintiel said:

Just because you have a (false) romantized view of socialism, doesn't make the Nazis any less Socialist. In the end, it all boils down to one thing, Fascism. Because as the government grabs more control, man yearns to be free. And there's only one way to continue your objectives, force with the excuse that it what is good for the motherland. Which is why so many on the left are for shutting up people they deem to use "hate speech," as well as try to justify the tactics of Antifa, who are actual fascists themselves.

Yep, nazism is just nationalistic socialism. Basically, any of the countries that have tried actual socialism become one party authoritarian states that are nationalistic. They have to around capitalist counties that give truth to the lie. Take North Korea, Russia or China as examples. 

"They have to around capitalist countries that give truth to the lie."  ???????  WTF that sentence makes no sense if you try to make a point at least write something that makes sense.  



Aeolus451 on 01 September 2018
Pemalite said:
Aeolus451 said:

Socialism is a left wing ideology only but things like fascism and nationalism can be on left. Russia, China and NK fits those definitions but they are left wing. Left wing scholars are the ones who determined that nazism is far right. Let's say Africa becomes some kind of socialist state but black supremacists are the ruling party. Are they considered far right because of the racial component?

Antifa are a oxymoron because they act like fascists more than the people they typically attack. If given a country to rule, they would fit the definition perfectly.

Facism and Nationalism is very much Right-Wing.

You can be a right-wing, facist, nationalist party with left-wing socialist aspects.
They aren't either/or, you can be both.

Also... The farther left or right you go, the more they become the same. - You should read up on the Horseshoe political theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory

ANTIFA only exist as opponents to facism, they are extreme, they don't represent the left anymore than Nazi's represent everyone on the right, they are both disgusting fringe groups that should be ridiculed and condemned by all, no exception.

Mr Puggsly said:

I just read what I said. I'm actually 100% correct.

I 100% disagree.

Mr Puggsly said:

Anyway, I've talked to you before about some of this. You live in homogeneous isolated country that handles immigration and spending very different from the US.

My country has very strong, nationalistic, protectionist ideas... And to be frank that has benefited the nation as a whole.
Unlike most other people, I am happy to support either the left or the right, because I don't give actually give a shit... Rather I weigh up the Pro's and Con's of any topic and go with whomever has the best evidence/argument.

Mr Puggsly said:

The average left winger in the US would argue Australian policies are racist and unfair.

Well. Our country, our laws. - It's served us extremely well, the USA should take note of how proactive we are in securing our borders.
As a nation we generally don't give a crap what the outside world thinks.

I'm aware of the horseshoe theory which is why both sides can be authoritarian identitarians.

Antifa says they are for that purpose but aren't that. I agree that the far right or far left don't represent the entirety of the right or left but the left has got to do something about the socialists becoming more mainstream on that side.



Aeolus451 on 01 September 2018
Chris Hu said:
Aeolus451 said:

 Oh so like liberals believing in liberalism?

Nazis were national socialists because it's what that political party ran on to gain power and it's what galvanized the people behind him. There's no reason to doubt he would have followed thru on some kind of socialism given he followed thru on his rhetoric about jews. 

The main reason the fascists gained power in both Italy and Germany is because of the aid of capitalists even before fascists gained power they where used by capitalist to keep workers down.  There was nothing socialist about them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3Pi_uBJ1HU

That's not worth a serious response.



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Chris Hu on 01 September 2018
Aeolus451 said:
Chris Hu said:

The main reason the fascists gained power in both Italy and Germany is because of the aid of capitalists even before fascists gained power they where used by capitalist to keep workers down.  There was nothing socialist about them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3Pi_uBJ1HU

That's not worth a serious response.

Yeah because it doesn't fit your world made up of alternate facts.  But guess what there is a pretty much a consensus among historians that the Nazi's weren't socialist.  



Pemalite on 02 September 2018
Aeolus451 said:

 I agree that the far right or far left don't represent the entirety of the right or left but the left has got to do something about the socialists becoming more mainstream on that side.

They sadly can't. These are individuals who have their own beliefs and ideas.
It's like trying to convince a Christian that their God doesn't exist, just ain't happening.

On the flip side though, Fascist's are becoming more mainstream on the right, that should also be dealt with.




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o_O.Q on 02 September 2018
Final-Fan said:
o_O.Q said:

you don't consider state funded health care, education, child care, state control of business etc etc etc socialism?

Read more carefully.  "There's no reason to doubt he would have followed thru on some kind of socialism given he followed thru on his rhetoric about jews."  This implies to me that he had not yet "followed thru on some kind of socialism" by the time of his downfall, because, if he had, then "would have" (hypothetical scenario) would make no sense to talk about if he had already DONE IT.  What I said was, essentially, that if there's something the Nazis held as a core ideal, they definitely would have done something about it in the over a decade that they had control of the country—whether that's socialism or getting rid of Jews. 

the fact of the matter is that his policies were socialist from the very beginning, regardless of the original poster's thoughts on the matter



o_O.Q on 02 September 2018
Pemalite said:
Aeolus451 said:

 I agree that the far right or far left don't represent the entirety of the right or left but the left has got to do something about the socialists becoming more mainstream on that side.

They sadly can't. These are individuals who have their own beliefs and ideas.
It's like trying to convince a Christian that their God doesn't exist, just ain't happening.

On the flip side though, Fascist's are becoming more mainstream on the right, that should also be dealt with.

"Fascist's are becoming more mainstream on the right"

how so? fascism is government suppression of opposition within a society

can you give some examples of this rising occurrence of fascism?

i've been seeing people throwing trump around a lot and all they are proving is that they aren't thinking clearly and don't understand what fascism is

 

something else to consider is that suppression of opposition obviously can occur under socialism when the means of production are consolidated into the state and individuals are not allowed to set up private businesses

in fact i'd argue that the justification of fascism is becoming a central tenet of much of the leftists though i'm seeing today, even though they obviously do not acknowledge it as fascism

it is quite common now for leftists to call business owners "oppressors" and express the desire to destroy their businesses and combine them into the state... if you  haven't been seeing this then you haven't been watching

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Aeolus451 on 02 September 2018
Pemalite said:
Aeolus451 said:

 I agree that the far right or far left don't represent the entirety of the right or left but the left has got to do something about the socialists becoming more mainstream on that side.

They sadly can't. These are individuals who have their own beliefs and ideas.
It's like trying to convince a Christian that their God doesn't exist, just ain't happening.

On the flip side though, Fascist's are becoming more mainstream on the right, that should also be dealt with.

The far right has no power, not within the right, socially, not through the government or financially. They are being propped up as the boogie man that's a threat to ever which in actuality, they aren't. Socialists on the other hand.