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Flilix said:
Israel has been a problem for decades. The change to a fully Jewish state isn't really a big deal, but it's yet another step in the wrong direction. There have been a lot of these steps recently, and it's getting very worrisome now.

As long as Europe and the US keep defending the Jewish people instead of trying to be neutral, the situation won't get any better.                             

Thats next to impossible considering zionists control the government and banking sector of these countries. Thats why Israel will always get a free pass regardless of the atrocities they commit.



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Mystro-Sama said:
Flilix said:
Israel has been a problem for decades. The change to a fully Jewish state isn't really a big deal, but it's yet another step in the wrong direction. There have been a lot of these steps recently, and it's getting very worrisome now.

As long as Europe and the US keep defending the Jewish people instead of trying to be neutral, the situation won't get any better.                             

Thats next to impossible considering zionists control the government and banking sector of these countries. Thats why Israel will always get a free pass regardless of the atrocities they commit.

It has nothing to do with "Zionists controlling the government and banks." - that's simply not the case. The US is clearly the main supporter of Israel. Within the US, the faction mostly pushing for this is very clearly religious right.

If you have ever discussed religion with American conservatives, you'll find three things.

1. They are pro-crusades, and Israel is kind of a modern crusader kingdom. While Europeans (and most of the rest of the world) find the crusades something between a shameful act of the Christian religion to a atrocity of our ancestors - the conservative  Americans are very positive about the crusades.
2. Most Conservative Americans are biblical literalists - they believe the world is 4-6000 years old, that evolution and science are generally fake, and that  the Apocalypse is coming. A growing number ohave also been aggressively preaching that the world is flat, and that the reason why we think it is round is due to a conspiracy by their own government in combination with everyone else.
3. While they call themselves Christians, they primarily follow the old testament. By "follow Jesus" it seems their interpretation is merely to "believe Jesus existed" and not to actually follow any of his teachings. Rather they follow the old testament teachings, ironically, in the same way the Pharisees followed them - the very people Jesus rebelled against, and spent like 40 pages of the Gospels lambasting as hypocrites, evil, and the spawn of Satan.

Basically, the US government is FULL of these Conservative sorts, primarily in the Republican party. They are pro-Zionism because Israel is proxy for a crusader Kingdom. While they would be happier if it were a Christian state, they find it perfectly acceptable at it being a Jewish state, particularly because their bibles have the Jewish people owning Israel - even when today's Jewish people barely resemble the Sadducees of the biblical era in culture or genetics (actually, the Palestinians are closer in both accounts). It's kind of ironic because many of these pro-Israel Conservatives are kind of anti-Semitic, Ann Coulter is a perfect example.



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Jumpin said:
Israel passed the Jewish Supremacy Act giving Jews supremacy over all other people.

Apartheid isn't the correct word. This is blatant fascism.

...giving Jews supremacy over all other people in their own nation.

Just like it should be with many other nations in the world. One people, one nation.



Jumpin said:
Mystro-Sama said:

Thats next to impossible considering zionists control the government and banking sector of these countries. Thats why Israel will always get a free pass regardless of the atrocities they commit.

It has nothing to do with "Zionists controlling the government and banks." - that's simply not the case. The US is clearly the main supporter of Israel. Within the US, the faction mostly pushing for this is very clearly religious right.

If you have ever discussed religion with American conservatives, you'll find three things.

1. They are pro-crusades, and Israel is kind of a modern crusader kingdom. While Europeans (and most of the rest of the world) find the crusades something between a shameful act of the Christian religion to a atrocity of our ancestors - the conservative  Americans are very positive about the crusades.
2. Most Conservative Americans are biblical literalists - they believe the world is 4-6000 years old, that evolution and science are generally fake, and that  the Apocalypse is coming. A growing number ohave also been aggressively preaching that the world is flat, and that the reason why we think it is round is due to a conspiracy by their own government in combination with everyone else.
3. While they call themselves Christians, they primarily follow the old testament. By "follow Jesus" it seems their interpretation is merely to "believe Jesus existed" and not to actually follow any of his teachings. Rather they follow the old testament teachings, ironically, in the same way the Pharisees followed them - the very people Jesus rebelled against, and spent like 40 pages of the Gospels lambasting as hypocrites, evil, and the spawn of Satan.

Basically, the US government is FULL of these Conservative sorts, primarily in the Republican party. They are pro-Zionism because Israel is proxy for a crusader Kingdom. While they would be happier if it were a Christian state, they find it perfectly acceptable at it being a Jewish state, particularly because their bibles have the Jewish people owning Israel - even when today's Jewish people barely resemble the Sadducees of the biblical era in culture or genetics (actually, the Palestinians are closer in both accounts). It's kind of ironic because many of these pro-Israel Conservatives are kind of anti-Semitic, Ann Coulter is a perfect example.

I've discussed Israel with many religious Americans.  The above is highly unrepresentative of anyone I've ever met, nevermind most.



Wyrdness said:
numberwang said:

Arabs are from Saudi Arabia, not the Region of the former Philistines, that were different Indoeuropean people.

You're thinking of the group who fought with Israel in the early days the 5 lords or what ever they call them who are speculated to be the Greeks the are another group of people who helped Abraham who are noted to be distinct from the people they fought those were Arabs who had settled from the Saudi region.

I think most historians (including Arabs) would believe that the Arab expansion into the Roman Palestine province started after the death of Mohamed in the 7th century AD. The historic claims of the land are that of a conqueror, not of a native population in that region if that makes a difference to you.



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DonFerrari said:
Flilix said:
Israel has been a problem for decades. The change to a fully Jewish state isn't really a big deal, but it's yet another step in the wrong direction. There have been a lot of these steps recently, and it's getting very worrisome now.

As long as Europe and the US keep defending the Jewish people instead of trying to be neutral, the situation won't get any better.

Why a step in the wrong direction?

Is there any Arabian country embracing and opening to Jews?

It's step in the wrong direction because it's very provoking, the tensions will keep growing.

The Palestinians have lived in this region for centuries. Then suddenly, foreign nations decide that they have to give a part of their land to the Jews. Then, these Jews start taking away more and more of their remaining land, and start oppressing them. The Palestinians are now forced to live in the small overpopulated pieces of land that they have left.

Your question just doesn't make any sense. This situation only exists in Israel/Palestine, nowhere else.

Mystro-Sama said:
Flilix said:
Israel has been a problem for decades. The change to a fully Jewish state isn't really a big deal, but it's yet another step in the wrong direction. There have been a lot of these steps recently, and it's getting very worrisome now.

As long as Europe and the US keep defending the Jewish people instead of trying to be neutral, the situation won't get any better.                             

Thats next to impossible considering zionists control the government and banking sector of these countries. Thats why Israel will always get a free pass regardless of the atrocities they commit.

I doubt they really have that much power, but it's definitely true that Jews are a lot more respected in the West (especially in the US) than Muslims.

However, that doesn't mean that nothing can change. Trump has made it very clear that he favours Israel over Palestine (for obvious reasons), but hopefully the next president is a bit more rational and peaceful.



Jumpin said:
Mystro-Sama said:

Thats next to impossible considering zionists control the government and banking sector of these countries. Thats why Israel will always get a free pass regardless of the atrocities they commit.

It has nothing to do with "Zionists controlling the government and banks." - that's simply not the case. The US is clearly the main supporter of Israel. Within the US, the faction mostly pushing for this is very clearly religious right.

If you have ever discussed religion with American conservatives, you'll find three things.

1. They are pro-crusades, and Israel is kind of a modern crusader kingdom. While Europeans (and most of the rest of the world) find the crusades something between a shameful act of the Christian religion to a atrocity of our ancestors - the conservative  Americans are very positive about the crusades.
2. Most Conservative Americans are biblical literalists - they believe the world is 4-6000 years old, that evolution and science are generally fake, and that  the Apocalypse is coming. A growing number ohave also been aggressively preaching that the world is flat, and that the reason why we think it is round is due to a conspiracy by their own government in combination with everyone else.
3. While they call themselves Christians, they primarily follow the old testament. By "follow Jesus" it seems their interpretation is merely to "believe Jesus existed" and not to actually follow any of his teachings. Rather they follow the old testament teachings, ironically, in the same way the Pharisees followed them - the very people Jesus rebelled against, and spent like 40 pages of the Gospels lambasting as hypocrites, evil, and the spawn of Satan.

Basically, the US government is FULL of these Conservative sorts, primarily in the Republican party. They are pro-Zionism because Israel is proxy for a crusader Kingdom. While they would be happier if it were a Christian state, they find it perfectly acceptable at it being a Jewish state, particularly because their bibles have the Jewish people owning Israel - even when today's Jewish people barely resemble the Sadducees of the biblical era in culture or genetics (actually, the Palestinians are closer in both accounts). It's kind of ironic because many of these pro-Israel Conservatives are kind of anti-Semitic, Ann Coulter is a perfect example.

Do you have any source to prove your 3 claims?

I’m considered conservative using the binary us classification (more like minarquist or uk classic liberal) and atheist. Funny right?

Flilix said:
DonFerrari said:

Why a step in the wrong direction?

Is there any Arabian country embracing and opening to Jews?

It's step in the wrong direction because it's very provoking, the tensions will keep growing.

The Palestinians have lived in this region for centuries. Then suddenly, foreign nations decide that they have to give a part of their land to the Jews. Then, these Jews start taking away more and more of their remaining land, and start oppressing them. The Palestinians are now forced to live in the small overpopulated pieces of land that they have left.

Your question just doesn't make any sense. This situation only exists in Israel/Palestine, nowhere else.

Mystro-Sama said:

Thats next to impossible considering zionists control the government and banking sector of these countries. Thats why Israel will always get a free pass regardless of the atrocities they commit.

I doubt they really have that much power, but it's definitely true that Jews are a lot more respected in the West (especially in the US) than Muslims.

However, that doesn't mean that nothing can change. Trump has made it very clear that he favours Israel over Palestine (for obvious reasons), but hopefully the next president is a bit more rational and peaceful.

Perhaps they don’t exist anywhere else because the Islamic countries doesn’t give any level of representation and respect to Jew? And Palestinians were there and lost land that they previously took from Jews? Is this one of those cases that is cool to bash Christians and Jews but we need to respect the culture of Islam?



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NightlyPoe said:
adidas198 said:

By that reasoning we Latinos can come to this country because for thousands of years we owned this land?

Are you under the impression that Latinos have existed for thousands of years?  Because they're a fairly new ethnicity.  For that matter, the Spanish didn't really settle much of the United States other than Florida before the 18th century and Mexico's longest claim of holding any United States land lasted only 32 years.

There is a big range of Latinos. Could be those that look European white or those that look like Native American. 



DonFerrari said:
Flilix said:
Israel has been a problem for decades. The change to a fully Jewish state isn't really a big deal, but it's yet another step in the wrong direction. There have been a lot of these steps recently, and it's getting very worrisome now.

As long as Europe and the US keep defending the Jewish people instead of trying to be neutral, the situation won't get any better.

Why a step in the wrong direction?

Is there any Arabian country embracing and opening to Jews?

Saudi Arabia and Israel are working quite nicely together to try to destabilise the region ❗With the help of the US, UK and other governments, of course. 



Aeolus451 said:
More lefties hating on Jews I take it?

I criticised Israel and it's government policy specifically. Maybe English isn't your first language, so I'll overlook that you weren't able to pick up on that nuance.