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All this hubbub over some place. What's so great about Jerusalem anyways?



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Ka-pi96 said:
One of the worst countries in the world. Absolutely disgusting the things they've done to the Palestinians!

Clearly you didn't see this.



tokilamockingbrd said:
Ka-pi96 said:
One of the worst countries in the world. Absolutely disgusting the things they've done to the Palestinians!

Very anti-sematic of you. Palestinian children are literally brainwashed in school that is Israel is evil and they should be wiped off the face of the earth. Is there little wonder why they grow up into adults incapable of co-existing with Israelis? 

Not every criticism of Israel is anti-semitism. Just as we can criticize any other state for instances of brutality, repression, and the likes, so we can do and should be able to do it for Israel. Palestinian and Israeli children are brainwashed. 

 

In fact all people who fall victim to various forms of exceptionalism and nationalism are brainwashed. It doesn't matter the source.



Im not going to say the palestines are right. That would mean that isreal is wrong and you cant say that due to an event a while in the past.



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KLAMarine said:
All this hubbub over some place. What's so great about Jerusalem anyways?

Basically their are narratives over 1000 years old that the Jews are to be eternally condemned for rejecting Jesus and Mohamed and their loss of Jerusalem is the main symbol of that.  Jews having their old capital of Jerusalem throws that assumption into turmoil and therefore must be fought against.  If Israel didn't claim Jerusalem then the Arab world wouldn't care about the city.



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Aeolus451 said:
Israel is there to stay and Jerusalem is their capital. End of story.

Demographics from 1517 have the Israelis at a measly 1.7% of Jerusalem's total population. Centuries later , 1918 records show the population of Jerusalem to be almost 91.9% Palestinian. Israelis numbered 60,000 out of 660,000 citizens. In 1946 Israelis were approximately 30% of Jerusalem's population and by 1948 they somehow became the majority at 82.1% in the space of two years. 

 

Such violent population shifts do not happen peacefully. Nor do they portray an "end of story" situation. Palestinians are being displaced or exterminated for nearly 70 years already. This is not anti-Semitism. Yes the situation is complex. Yes Palestinian resistance is hardly benign. Yes they commit regular acts of terrorism. Nothing is simple in politics.



Helloplite said:
Aeolus451 said:
Israel is there to stay and Jerusalem is their capital. End of story.

Demographics from 1517 have the Israelis at a measly 1.7% of Jerusalem's total population. Centuries later , 1918 records show the population of Jerusalem to be almost 91.9% Palestinian. Israelis numbered 60,000 out of 660,000 citizens. In 1946 Israelis were approximately 30% of Jerusalem's population and by 1948 they somehow became the majority at 82.1% in the space of two years. 

 

Such violent population shifts do not happen peacefully. Nor do they portray an "end of story" situation. Palestinians are being displaced or exterminated for nearly 70 years already. This is not anti-Semitism. Yes the situation is complex. Yes Palestinian resistance is hardly benign. Yes they commit regular acts of terrorism. Nothing is simple in politics.

 It was owned by jews a long time before that. They have it now and they're doing wonders with it. They managed to keep it all in spite of hostile neighbours. They're closer to our values and we're already committed to that course so I'm inclined to support them over the Palestinians who are endorsing terrorism.



I tried to figure out what all this stuff is about and which of them has the right to this land. They even went so far and invented an almighty God which tells them that this land belongs to them.

This is a never ending clash supported by idiots and idiotic believes. Maybe dropping a bomb on that place and annihilating everything there is would lead to piece.



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Helloplite said:
Aeolus451 said:
Israel is there to stay and Jerusalem is their capital. End of story.

Demographics from 1517 have the Israelis at a measly 1.7% of Jerusalem's total population. Centuries later , 1918 records show the population of Jerusalem to be almost 91.9% Palestinian. Israelis numbered 60,000 out of 660,000 citizens. In 1946 Israelis were approximately 30% of Jerusalem's population and by 1948 they somehow became the majority at 82.1% in the space of two years. 

 

Such violent population shifts do not happen peacefully. Nor do they portray an "end of story" situation. Palestinians are being displaced or exterminated for nearly 70 years already. This is not anti-Semitism. Yes the situation is complex. Yes Palestinian resistance is hardly benign. Yes they commit regular acts of terrorism. Nothing is simple in politics.

This is almost 100% wrong.  Jews were a majority in Jerusalem starting at a certain period sometime in the 19th century.  How early or late in the 19th century is up for dispute, but there is no dispute whatsoever that Jews were a majority in Jerusalem by 1918.  If you mean the entire land of Israel/Palestine instead of Jerusalem, then you might have a point.  But for Jerusalem your figures are garbage.

 

As for the overall population shifts, while there was definitely violence, it was instigated each time by the Arab side.  The 1920 pogroms caused the formation of the Hagganah and the 1929 massacres, including the destruction of the 3,000 year old Jewish community of Hebron, caused the formation of the Irgun.   That's not to say they didn't have a right to protest immigration policies, but had there been no Arab violence, there would have been no counter-violence and no refugees.

And during the period of the British Mandate, the Arab population itself doubled from around 600,000 to 1.2 million.



Mainstream media trying to pin this on Trump despite that these Riots have been going on for a month, I support Israel over Hamas. Also Israel has a right to name it's own Capital.