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Forums - Politics Discussion - Trump pulls out of Iran nuclear agreement

CrazyGamer2017 said:
Nem said:

You should educate yourself by watching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xnZ_CeTqyM

 

Theres was basically no chance Iran could've built any nuclear weapons with that deal. With no deal though? They can do whatever they want.

I'm not so sure about that. Neither you nor those who express opposite opinions on this issue really know what the deal entails and what can and cannot be done with it. So unlike you or those who oppose you I will neither say "Yes the deal allows Iran to make nuclear weapons" nor will I say "nope, can't make nuclear weapons with this deal".

Instead I'll just see who wants that deal to stay and who wants it gone. Israel for instance is a sworn enemy of Iran and Israel is happy the deal has been turned down by the United States. Now if this deal was such a huge shackles on Iran why is Israel happy to see the deal off? Israel should be happy that the deal stays (If that deal was really something preventing Iran from making nukes) but that's not the case. So Israel's opposition to that deal is a clear indication that the deal is not so binding as some leftists would want us to believe.

Isreal is probably hopeing the US decides to bomb any and all installations that can enrich uranium.
Hell Isreal will probably join in the "fun" and help the US bomb them.



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JRPGfan said:
CrazyGamer2017 said:

I'm not so sure about that. Neither you nor those who express opposite opinions on this issue really know what the deal entails and what can and cannot be done with it. So unlike you or those who oppose you I will neither say "Yes the deal allows Iran to make nuclear weapons" nor will I say "nope, can't make nuclear weapons with this deal".

Instead I'll just see who wants that deal to stay and who wants it gone. Israel for instance is a sworn enemy of Iran and Israel is happy the deal has been turned down by the United States. Now if this deal was such a huge shackles on Iran why is Israel happy to see the deal off? Israel should be happy that the deal stays (If that deal was really something preventing Iran from making nukes) but that's not the case. So Israel's opposition to that deal is a clear indication that the deal is not so binding as some leftists would want us to believe.

Isreal is probably hopeing the US decides to bomb any and all installations that can enrich uranium.
Hell Isreal will probably join in the "fun" and help the US bomb them.

Maybe but that's not the issue we are discussing here.



CrazyGamer2017 said:
JRPGfan said:

Isreal is probably hopeing the US decides to bomb any and all installations that can enrich uranium.
Hell Isreal will probably join in the "fun" and help the US bomb them.

Maybe but that's not the issue we are discussing here.

You asked why Irsreal is supporting the breaking of this deal.
Thats my opinion, they probably rather see Iran without any capabilitys at all to enrich unranium.

Only way that happends is if you destroy the facilities.
So yes, that is what we were discussing here, you asked why.



What a moron. All independently verified evidence confirms they were acting in accordance to the agreement. By backing out without the support of evidence or international allies, Iran is now free to resume their nuclear weapons program.

Worse, West Korea has arbitrarily made it harder for itself to re-negotiate the terms. Since it was West Korea who reneged on the agreement, Iran has leverage to negotiate a less restrictive deal...if they're even willing to negotiate with West Korea at all.

Worse, other nations are looking at this as proof that agreements with West Korea are meaningless. This puts West Korea in a position of weakness in diplomatic negotiations, Brokering the release of West Korean prisoners from Kim-Jong Un just got a whole lot harder, and now North Korea is in a position of strength when making demands to South Korea and China during the peace talks.

So, in summary, West Korea has destabilized the Middle East (again), put its allies at risk, squandered political capital with allied nations, put the opposing side in any diplomatic negotiation in a position of strength, jeopardized the lives of her own citizens being held prisoner in North Korea, threatened the peace talks with North Korea, and all they got in return was Iran claiming a legitimate free pass to develop nuclear weapons.

Kim-Jong Drumpf's regime continues its unbroken chain of bad decisions, this one so moronic it is legendary.

Supporting incompetence of this magnitude is indefensible.



Only the US pulled out of the deal, yes? So there's still a deal just not with the US.



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SuaveSocialist said:
What a moron. All independently verified evidence confirms they were acting in accordance to the agreement. By backing out without the support of evidence or international allies, Iran is now free to resume their nuclear weapons program.

Worse, West Korea has arbitrarily made it harder for itself to re-negotiate the terms. Since it was West Korea who reneged on the agreement, Iran has leverage to negotiate a less restrictive deal...if they're even willing to negotiate with West Korea at all.

Worse, other nations are looking at this as proof that agreements with West Korea are meaningless. This puts West Korea in a position of weakness in diplomatic negotiations, Brokering the release of West Korean prisoners from Kim-Jong Un just got a whole lot harder, and now North Korea is in a position of strength when making demands to South Korea and China during the peace talks.

So, in summary, West Korea has destabilized the Middle East (again), put its allies at risk, squandered political capital with allied nations, put the opposing side in any diplomatic negotiation in a position of strength, jeopardized the lives of her own citizens being held prisoner in North Korea, threatened the peace talks with North Korea, and all they got in return was Iran claiming a legitimate free pass to develop nuclear weapons.

Kim-Jong Drumpf's regime continues its unbroken chain of bad decisions, this one so moronic it is legendary.

Supporting incompetence of this magnitude is indefensible.

Told you he was gonna get us all killed. -_-



JRPGfan said:
CrazyGamer2017 said:

Maybe but that's not the issue we are discussing here.

You asked why Irsreal is supporting the breaking of this deal.
Thats my opinion, they probably rather see Iran without any capabilitys at all to enrich unranium.

Only way that happends is if you destroy the facilities.
So yes, that is what we were discussing here, you asked why.

That question was rhetorical, it wasn't really a question it was just a way for me to explain that if Israel wants to see that deal off it's because it's not that much of a binding deal. OBVIOUSLY if the deal was really that much binding, Israel would want the deal to stay.

But your opinion is duly noted.



JRPGfan said:

The President fires people before he finds replacements, makes up policy on the fly, decided to meet North Korean leader Kim Jong Un seemingly on a whim, and slashed away at Obamacare without offering a replacement.

Funny thing is, if Trump is pulling back from that 'deal', then why should he give a damn shit about any treaty with North Korea.

Iran was heavily controlled by the IAEA, no signs they're working on nukes.

Nevertheless, the U.S. will very likely be able to sell even more ewapons to Israel and Saudi Arabia because the whole situation has become way more dangerous now.



captain carot said:
JRPGfan said:

The President fires people before he finds replacements, makes up policy on the fly, decided to meet North Korean leader Kim Jong Un seemingly on a whim, and slashed away at Obamacare without offering a replacement.

Funny thing is, if Trump is pulling back from that 'deal', then why should he give a damn shit about any treaty with North Korea.

Iran was heavily controlled by the IAEA, no signs they're working on nukes.

Nevertheless, the U.S. will very likely be able to sell even more ewapons to Israel and Saudi Arabia because the whole situation has become way more dangerous now.

Again, told you he's gonna get us all killed.



captain carot said:

Funny thing is, if Trump is pulling back from that 'deal', then why should he give a damn shit about any treaty with North Korea.

Iran was heavily controlled by the IAEA, no signs they're working on nukes.

Nevertheless, the U.S. will very likely be able to sell even more ewapons to Israel and Saudi Arabia because the whole situation has become way more dangerous now.

Isn't it obvious? Because he wants a deal on his own terms. Trump did not negotiate the Iran deal so he wants it gone and he will give a shit about a deal with NK for the same reasons cause he's the one going for it and it's not some deal negotiated by his predecessors.

To be clear I'm neither defending nor attacking Trump here I'm just explaining why he will give a shit about a North Korea deal and even a deal with Iran if Iran agreed to make a new deal with Trump.

Last edited by CrazyGamer2017 - on 09 May 2018