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Aeolus451 said:

I'm against the strikes. The quality of their work is questionable considering that kids are eating tide pods these days for clicks and becoming socialists out of college. 😽 😹 They also make a decent amount on average.

I'd say they're doing a good job if they're encouraging students to become socialists.



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Machiavellian said:
contestgamer said:
No, they already make a ridiculous amount of money and are under performing as it is. They make an average of 45k a year, more than DOUBLE minimum wage. Get out of here with your strikes.

You think 45K a year is being overpaid.  There is no way I would go 4 years to college at the price tag it is now, to come out getting paid 45K a year.  I would be surprised if you even know one iota what teachers do today.  

45k a year and they get the summer off. If they don't like that, they can try working as a welder in a shipyard in the south, getting paid the same but that's for a whole year's worth of work. They should quit their bitchin'.



VGPolyglot said:
Aeolus451 said:

I'm against the strikes. The quality of their work is questionable considering that kids are eating tide pods these days for clicks and becoming socialists out of college. 😽 😹 They also make a decent amount on average.

I'd say they're doing a good job if they're encouraging students to become socialists.

Of course, you'd say that. 😜



Machiavellian said:
contestgamer said:
No, they already make a ridiculous amount of money and are under performing as it is. They make an average of 45k a year, more than DOUBLE minimum wage. Get out of here with your strikes.

You think 45K a year is being overpaid.  There is no way I would go 4 years to college at the price tag it is now, to come out getting paid 45K a year.  I would be surprised if you even know one iota what teachers do today.  

It doesnt matter, they get more than double minimum wage, they need to shut up.



VGPolyglot said:
Aeolus451 said:

I'm against the strikes. The quality of their work is questionable considering that kids are eating tide pods these days for clicks and becoming socialists out of college. 😽 😹 They also make a decent amount on average.

I'd say they're doing a good job if they're encouraging students to become socialists.

You're under 20 though, we cant have global policy being decided by people that young that dont have sufficient experience and knowledge in the existing systems yet.



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Aeolus451 said:
Machiavellian said:

You think 45K a year is being overpaid.  There is no way I would go 4 years to college at the price tag it is now, to come out getting paid 45K a year.  I would be surprised if you even know one iota what teachers do today.  

45k a year and they get the summer off. If they don't like that, they can try working as a welder in a shipyard in the south, getting paid the same but that's for a whole year's worth of work. They should quit their bitchin'.

Teacher's getting summers off is a complete misconception of what they do for work, at least if you're a good teacher. It's technically true that teachers have a long summer vacation, but in reality, it's not really longer than in any other profession because they have to spent a lot of their time during summer planning next year's courses and lessons, not to mention curriculum. In addition, the reason teachers have a relatively high hourly wages is because they have to work outside their normal working hours planning lessons, grading tests and so on. If a teacher has on average around 30 hours of lessons a week, he or she has to spend at least another 10-15 hours every week planning that stuff during what is technically their freetime. And yes, I know exactly what I'm talking about since I am a teacher, though not in the US.



Darashiva said:
Aeolus451 said:

45k a year and they get the summer off. If they don't like that, they can try working as a welder in a shipyard in the south, getting paid the same but that's for a whole year's worth of work. They should quit their bitchin'.

Teacher's getting summers off is a complete misconception of what they do for work, at least if you're a good teacher. It's technically true that teachers have a long summer vacation, but in reality, it's not really longer than in any other profession because they have to spent a lot of their time during summer planning next year's courses and lessons, not to mention curriculum. In addition, the reason teachers have a relatively high hourly wages is because they have to work outside their normal working hours planning lessons, grading tests and so on. If a teacher has on average around 30 hours of lessons a week, he or she has to spend at least another 10-15 hours every week planning that stuff during what is technically their freetime. And yes, I know exactly what I'm talking about since I am a teacher, though not in the US.

30+15 hours is about the average workweek, except you get to spend a third of it at home grading etc. Try working in a factory 8 hours a day for 20k a year and see how you like that.



contestgamer said:
Darashiva said:

Teacher's getting summers off is a complete misconception of what they do for work, at least if you're a good teacher. It's technically true that teachers have a long summer vacation, but in reality, it's not really longer than in any other profession because they have to spent a lot of their time during summer planning next year's courses and lessons, not to mention curriculum. In addition, the reason teachers have a relatively high hourly wages is because they have to work outside their normal working hours planning lessons, grading tests and so on. If a teacher has on average around 30 hours of lessons a week, he or she has to spend at least another 10-15 hours every week planning that stuff during what is technically their freetime. And yes, I know exactly what I'm talking about since I am a teacher, though not in the US.

30+15 hours is about the average workweek, except you get to spend a third of it at home grading etc. Try working in a factory 8 hours a day for 20k a year and see how you like that.

You clearly just don't understand what teacher's do. It's so far removed from just holding lessons and grading tests on your free time. So here's a few things you might want to take into account as well, besides the 30 hours of lessons and 15 hours of working at home. Parent-teacher conferences, students who require constant additional help during every single class you hold, which might include up to 30 students at once. This would mean that in a class where 27 students can study normally, that would still leave three students who might require constant supervision to be able to get anything done at all, which leaves those 27 students with little to no attention from the teacher.  Of course then there's the fact that a teacher is generally expected to be available for parents to contact about matter regarding their children at almost all times. That's not even close to everything, but just a start. You're lucky if you get away with a 40 hour work week as a teacher.

And the thing is, it's not ultimately the teachers who suffer the most from schools not having the funding and teachers not getting compensated properly for the work they do. It's the students who'll eventually pay the most for this, since they won't be getting a proper education when there are no more qualified teachers to do their job.



"Some people have it worse, so teachers should quit complaining."



Darashiva said:
Aeolus451 said:

45k a year and they get the summer off. If they don't like that, they can try working as a welder in a shipyard in the south, getting paid the same but that's for a whole year's worth of work. They should quit their bitchin'.

Teacher's getting summers off is a complete misconception of what they do for work, at least if you're a good teacher. It's technically true that teachers have a long summer vacation, but in reality, it's not really longer than in any other profession because they have to spent a lot of their time during summer planning next year's courses and lessons, not to mention curriculum. In addition, the reason teachers have a relatively high hourly wages is because they have to work outside their normal working hours planning lessons, grading tests and so on. If a teacher has on average around 30 hours of lessons a week, he or she has to spend at least another 10-15 hours every week planning that stuff during what is technically their freetime. And yes, I know exactly what I'm talking about since I am a teacher, though not in the US.

 Teachers in the US don't have to do all that. Curriculum and all that is decided for them. If they want to do elaborate lesson plans or do stuff that's not in the text books, that's completely their choice. They get the summer off unless they're doing extra things like summer school. They're getting paid alot considering the time they get off and it's office work. I have a friend who works in IT for the school system and I asked him about this topic. They're just wanting to get paid alot for their job and they're using an appeal to emotions "getting grossly" to get it. Alot of them work an extra job during the summer for extra money or something to do. They don't have to buy a new car every year or have a huge house or brand name everything. Alot of people like to live beyond their means and they feel like the they're not making enough.