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Jumpin said:

1. Do you have any moral qualms listening to rock n roll music? Buying shirts and shoes made in poor countries? Eating human flesh?
2. Why do you think it’s a stressful hassle to get laid? It’s really quite the opposite :D

Why not mix the two, invite a woman over to watch some porn with you? A good many women are shy about it, but if you ask around you’ll be surprised at the answers you’ll find. Also, watching porn with a woman, especially with a glass of wine, can really get the mood going.

I do agree with point 1 actually, "there is no ethical consumption under capitalism" is a common socialist saying, so I guess I shouldn't really just focus on this when it is essentially inevitable.



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Here is a somewhat related TEDx talk on the issue at hand...



John2290 said:
 

That's the sane thing for men but to say few women enjoy it is ridiculously oversimplifying it. Sure I'm not going to go out and lick some random pussy but when I do, I very much enjoy the enjoyment of giving enjoyment. To say few women  (or men too) enjoy giving oral and that's only in the realm of porn is false. 

It is? Because I've got survey data if needed.

But let's just try a simple experiment so that you see the difference between you delivering oral sex on a woman and receiving oral sex from her: Take your middle finger and place it as far as you can down your throat. (It probably won't be very far.) See how long it takes you to gag. How much fun was that? Okay, now mentally multiply the circumference about three times and add motion.

It may be furthermore worth adding that the vagina is not the logical analogy to the male penis. It's located in the same place on the female body that the balls are on yours for a biological reason. The clitoris is the closest analogy to the male penis in terms of pleasure delivery. Stimulating a man's penis orally can result in him achieving orgasm with sufficient diligence. You orally pleasuring a pussy will never result in a woman achieving orgasm. That's like suggesting that you might achieve orgasm purely through the stimulation of your balls, without any penile stimulation.

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John2290 said:
 

You are talking deep throughting which isn't the only oral and yeah, not many women can or are willing but a a BJ is never an issue and whatever servey data you have on that it must askin on a first encounter or some shit or rhe sample size were wrong or lying. Also, I've much more chance in give a woman an orgasm orally,much, much faster than shagging and again much much faster with my hand. 

Your serveys are incorrect or asking the wrong pool of people. 

*sigh* Okay, since you don't believe me, here you are: the datas.

In case you're too lazy to click on the link, here's the bottom line: statistically speaking, men are twice as likely to enjoy performing oral sex on women as women are to enjoy performing oral sex on men, but, in spite of this fact, are far less likely to bother.

Specifically: only 26% of women report performing oral sex on a man at all, and only 28% of those that do say that they actually enjoy doing so. 28% of 26%. I don't have a calculator handy, but mental math is sufficient to indicate that that's less than 10% of all women. So that's why I feel justified in saying that "very few women enjoy performing oral sex" on men. Also, the poll does not say "deep throat". It says "oral sex".

The reason women are more likely to perform oral sex than men despite far more rarely enjoying it is because...well that's what porn says you're supposed to do. Porn conversely does not say that men are supposed to return the favor very often, so men rarely bother IRL.

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Jaicee said:

*sigh* Okay, since you don't believe me, here you are: the datas.

In case you're too lazy to click on the link, here's the bottom line: statistically speaking, men are twice as likely to enjoy performing oral sex on women as women are to enjoy performing oral sex on men, but, in spite of this fact, are far less likely to bother.

Specifically: only 26% of women report performing oral sex on a man at all, and only 28% of those that do say that they actually enjoy doing so. 28% of 26%. I don't have a calculator handy, but mental math is sufficient to indicate that that's less than 10% of all women. So that's why I feel justified in saying that "very few women enjoy performing oral sex" on men. Also, the poll does not say "deep throat". It says "oral sex".

The reason women are more likely to perform oral sex than men despite far more rarely enjoying it is because...well that's what porn says you're supposed to do. Porn conversely does not say that men are supposed to return the favor very often, so men rarely bother IRL.

"Statistically speaking" there is a lot wrong with that article. First of all, it doesn't link the actual survey/study, but it also falsifies results. From the abstract of the actual study: 

More women (59%) than men (52%) reported giving oral sex to their partner. More men (63%) than women (44%) reported receiving oral sex. Most men (73%) and women (69%) reported that receiving oral sex was “very pleasurable.” Though most participants rated giving oral sex as at least “somewhat pleasurable,” men were significantly more likely than women to report that giving oral sex was very pleasurable (52% vs. 28%).

So, your mental math fails on grounds of wrong data. In which case it would equal to roughly ~16,5% of women that enjoy giving oral sex. Which is a complicated stat to deal with itself, as you cannot determine how the 41% that didn't give oral sex to their partners stand towards it.

Link to the study, if someone wants to pay 16,5$ to read it, lol: https://www.utpjournals.press/doi/full/10.3138/cjhs.251-A2



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VGPolyglot said:

So, this is a topic that has profoundly troubled me for a while. I do have sexual desires, which I currently relieve through masturbation. However, it's hard to do that through thoughts alone, so I tend to use pornographic material too while doing that. Now, this is where the problem lies. The pornographic industry is not the happiest place at all, far from it in fact. Porn stars have a pretty high suicide rate and lower life-expectancy. This highlights the general unhappiness that porn stars have, and it makes it very hard to consciously watch porn without thinking of the working conditions and relationships, how dehumanizing it must be to have a job like that and the normalization of sex that makes it hard to fully enjoy it.

So, what I tend to do frequently is use fictional media instead, mainly hentai (in the forms of anime and doujinshi), as since they're fictional characters it is impossible for them to be truly hurt/exploited. However, I can understand that for others it's hard to do it, and even for me I tend to shuffle things up in order to be able to stay aroused and avoid desensitization. So, there has to be a happy medium. I myself try very hard to not have pornography affect my views and treatment of women, and I hope that I have maintained that. But I was also curious on your guys' thoughts and perspectives on the matter.

If you want to respect women I'd advise talking to them and listening to them.  You'll find we come in all varieties and attitudes about sex and pornography.  Some of my friends are very sexual in nature while others are very modest.  You likely won't get a set answer on any issue. 

I'd ask how much other aspects fill our life or if thoughts of sex and masturbating dominate.  One thing that can be healthy is hobbies, being active, involved, and finding your passions.  Its not avoiding or suppressing your natural desires, but managing them can keep them from defining you.



Jaicee said:

So my input has been directly requested on the grounds that I am female. After reading a few pages of the replies, honestly I think I can understand why. However, it should be said that I'm just one person, and hardly an expert in curing addictions of any kind. I find it a very daunting, indeed impossible, task to try and represent all women with my one voice, my one lived experience, and even more impossible to try and posit a definite, viable path out of any kind of addiction. Therefore I will simply voice my own opinions.

The truth is that I can't really relate to the problem that VGPolygot relays in the OP. There are many reasons why. First of all, I'm a lesbian, and by that I mean properly lesbian, not bisexual. The general contents of online pornography have never been especially relatable or appealing to me hence for obvious reasons. Secondly, I'm also a product of a different time. I grew up mostly before the average person had an Internet connection of any kind, let alone the convenience of smart devices and cable-based download speeds. (You can probably tell as much by the fact that I still reflexively capitalize the I in the word Internet. :P)

When I was a teenager, "porn" most often meant the kind of material one found in Playboy magazine, which was just models and prominent women posing nude (and duly airbrushed) astride various pieces of furniture, and most men didn't spend a lot of time consuming it. As recently as 2002, a Kinsey Institute survey found, for example, that just 25% of the male population in the United States reported having digested pornographic material within the preceding month. In my observation, men who felt that they needed visual aid to masturbate generally turned to only semi-pornographic material, such as the annual Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue or the general contents of MTV, and even that was considered somewhat controversial. Seems quaint now, doesn't it? But I think it's worth adding that I never related much to that world either. I think women who are attracted to women often have different criteria for what constitutes beauty. I know I did.

My own teen years were lonely, both romantically and sexually. I discovered my orientation gradually, through experience, and lived (and live) in an area that is very conservative, where practically nobody who is gay is out as gay, myself included. I tended to believe that there was something wrong with me. Sometimes I found fronts to avoid scaring my parents, like fake-dating the one gay guy I knew of as cover so I'd pass as straight. Masturbation? I used my imagination. So that's where I'm coming from.

Anyway, I was asked specifically "how you feel pornography has affected people's views on women". Personally, I feel that stories like this and this illustrate where the potential lies. More commonly, I think the fact that a recent survey found that 53% of male teenagers and 39% of female teens believed that the typical material in online pornography was "realistic" shows that it is affecting what kind of sexual relationships men and women have more and more often, starting at a young age. I mean basically I think what men learn from digesting the kind of material that is readily available today is a sense of not just entitlement, but obligation to always be sexually dominant, perhaps to the point of abuse, and what women learn is that we're supposed to feign enjoyment of pain and suffering and never think of getting off ourselves. I think it may also be worth taking in that many of those "rough" videos one can find online are not faked. Many of those are recordings of actual rape, to judge by the testimonies of women who survive them.

I guess if you feel that you cannot successfully masturbate without aid, then the route I would most recommend might be something like what Farsala suggested on page 3. But also bear in mind that what Contestgamer said shortly thereafter has some key truth to it: one should not kid themselves; there is no "respectful" form of pornography (real or animated). There are no such things as legitimate amateur sites that I'm aware of (they're all paid actors too). "Lesbian" porn is also clearly made with a male target audience in mind, to judge by the fact that 100% of them are the perfectly "femme" kind that men prefer to look at and tend to act more like men would act. But I will say that it's no coincidence that the most common porn-related search term even among heterosexual women is "lesbian". That's because so-called lesbian porn is the only kind out there that focuses on clitoral stimulation instead of penile stimulation.

The most important thing though is simply that one realize that pornography isn't realistic in its conveyance of what pleases people (especially women) in real life. Very few women enjoy things like anal sex or delivering oral sex or being hit in any form of fashion, for example (and I would question the self-esteem of those who purport to, for that matter), and the women who pretend to in online porn videos themselves are rarely exceptions to these rules. Simply realizing that is the most important thing really, I believe.

As I said earlier, mainstream porn is trash. People believe in that trash like they believe drinking alcohol is a good thing or that watching tv is somehow a better thing than playing video games.

With that I said I would be very interested in your opinion of porn like Reddit gone wild. Are they not amateurs? They are tons of people who aren't getting paid and tend to hide their faces. But it is indeed porn.



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John2290 said:

As for men not returning the favour because porn tells you  not to....my god you millenials are fucked up, do you not talk to women or your partners or in groups at all anymore. You remind me of Polygot speaking this way like human interaction and sex is some kind of computer like interaction, It's disturbing.

Consider the social environment our generation finds ourselves in; you can't just walk up to a random woman and start a conversation; unless you're super attractive you'll be consider a creep, unsolicited social interaction is treated almost like assault these days.