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Forums - Gaming Discussion - Belgium: FIFA 18, CSGO and Overwatch loot boxes violate gambling laws, have to be removed or risk up to €1.6mil fines or 10 year jail sentence

welp its fucked up more now, government never fixes shit. if they did, there would be no need for them or the 10 bureaucracies to fix the first failed one.

i dont like loo boxes but this is not for the government to regulate, i dont want them near anything I enjoy.



 

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That's pretty cool to see, some actual action get them going on the back foot now.



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CuCabeludo said:
Nem said:

HAhaha... the problem is, this isn't just 2 small countries, this will be the european union. This got all the track to be brought to the commission specifically to stop abuses.

Europe isn't the US buddy. Companies don't fuck us here, we fuck the companies.

If they want out, they are gonna have to go out of the whole EU market. That is a huge profit market impossible to ignore.

What can happen is the US keeps the scammy lootboxes but EU gets different game design. I am fine with that. The americans have to fight to defend their rights.

 

Even if they want to remove from the market, i assure you we are perfectly fine with that. It's more their loss than ours.

There's nothing sadder than businessmen who think they can evade the law. Any court of law will see that behaviour of atempting to evade the law as clear as day and take action.

At the end of the day, the services can just be permanently blocked by the governments. Don't think businessmen are smart. They aren't. They always get their due sooner or later.

Facebook is already out of reach of any EU law. Any company can give a middle finger to any contry and move to other that can provide better terms. This is why there is no manufacturing in US anymore, everything moved to China.

Facebook does what they let it do. It's pretty easy to block acess to Facebook in the EU if they want to. It's already done in some countries with for example Pirate Bay.



Nem said:
CuCabeludo said:

Facebook is already out of reach of any EU law. Any company can give a middle finger to any contry and move to other that can provide better terms. This is why there is no manufacturing in US anymore, everything moved to China.

Facebook does what they let it do. It's pretty easy to block acess to Facebook in the EU if they want to. It's already done in some countries with for example Pirate Bay.

It's equally easy to access any game/site that is blocked in your country with VPN. Lineage 2 Classic Europe for example is blocked for any country that is not in Europe, and yet I play it everyday through VPN.

 

For pirate bay, you don't even need to pay for a VPN. The only thing you need is download the Tor Browser and you will rape through any blocked site.

Last edited by CuCabeludo - on 28 April 2018

Good news to me, hope this leads to the eventual death of lootboxes.



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CuCabeludo said:

Facebook moved 1.5 billion European users' data out of Europe to circumvent new European user privacy law. Any company can just move the operations/servers out of any country easily and give a giant middle finger.

These companies can just do the same and be free of this new rules, players can still play but they won't have local servers anymore or use a VPN at the worst case (region IP block).

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/apr/19/facebook-moves-15bn-users-out-of-reach-of-new-european-privacy-law

I don't see how that helps them. The GDPR laws explicitly are about the data and whether you are personally a citizen or resident of the EU, it doesn't matter where the data is housed (in or out of the EU) Facebook would still be liable for any breaches under GDPR and still need to report on it and the 4% revenue fine would still apply should they fail to meet those requirements.

Edit: I understand now, basically cuCabeludo made some "creative" edits which is why it made no sense. They are NOT moving EU users data, they are moving NON EU users data. moving EU users data would have had zero effect as EU data isn't governed by borders, other countries data is though.o

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NobleTeam360 said:
Good news to me, hope this leads to the eventual death of lootboxes.

I have good hopes that loot boxes will die before the next-gen consoles arrive and that publishers will move to a model where you can just directly buy the skins you want like Overwatch. Although some games like FIFA Ultimate Team are just build around it too heavily to get rid off them.



CuCabeludo said:
Nem said:

Facebook does what they let it do. It's pretty easy to block acess to Facebook in the EU if they want to. It's already done in some countries with for example Pirate Bay.

It's equally easy to access any game/site that is blocked in your country with VPN. Lineage 2 Classic Europe for example is blocked for any country that is not in Europe, and yet I play it everyday through VPN.

 

For pirate bay, you don't even need to pay for a VPN. The only thing you need is download the Tor Browser and you will rape through any blocked site.

It still blocks the majority of the traffic. Not everyone cares enough to go find an illegal workaround.



CuCabeludo said:
Nem said:

HAhaha... the problem is, this isn't just 2 small countries, this will be the european union. This got all the track to be brought to the commission specifically to stop abuses.

Europe isn't the US buddy. Companies don't fuck us here, we fuck the companies.

If they want out, they are gonna have to go out of the whole EU market. That is a huge profit market impossible to ignore.

What can happen is the US keeps the scammy lootboxes but EU gets different game design. I am fine with that. The americans have to fight to defend their rights.

 

Even if they want to remove from the market, i assure you we are perfectly fine with that. It's more their loss than ours.

There's nothing sadder than businessmen who think they can evade the law. Any court of law will see that behaviour of atempting to evade the law as clear as day and take action.

At the end of the day, the services can just be permanently blocked by the governments. Don't think businessmen are smart. They aren't. They always get their due sooner or later.

Facebook is already out of reach of any EU law. Any company can give a middle finger to any contry and move to other that can provide better terms. This is why there is no manufacturing in US anymore, everything moved to China.

Actually Facebook already made a lot of changes for european laws for the whole world, so even for users falling under different jurisdictions. And whatever they do, the laws apply to all user-profiles from european users, so they can fuck with american user data, but not with the data of european users. They could though give up on the european market and delete all profiles of european users and disallow european users to register - but that will not happen, as this is big profit for Facebook. So yeah, they moved some data of users not from the european union away from european servers. They still have to follow law for all european users.



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Nem said:
CuCabeludo said:

It's equally easy to access any game/site that is blocked in your country with VPN. Lineage 2 Classic Europe for example is blocked for any country that is not in Europe, and yet I play it everyday through VPN.

 

For pirate bay, you don't even need to pay for a VPN. The only thing you need is download the Tor Browser and you will rape through any blocked site.

It still blocks the majority of the traffic. Not everyone cares enough to go find an illegal workaround.

I agree. It is a minority that looks for VPN/Proxies/Tor or other stuff to circumvent blocks. So blocks are basically effective for the majority of the populace.



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