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No Destiny or BF 2?



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Random_Matt said:
No Destiny or BF 2?

Can you sell items from those games for real money?



CSGO and Dota2 item trading is now disabled in the Netherlands due to this

No confirmation yet on what the other 2 games are, but from today (June 20th) the law will be enforced. Publishers still in violation can be fined up to €830.000 (roughly $960,000) or up to 10% of the company's worldwide revenue if that were to exceed €830.000. Any company fined which still doesn't comply with the law might be prosecuted. https://www.kansspelautoriteit.nl/nieuws/alle-nieuwsberichten/2018/juni/nieuwe-fase-aanpak/



That's one battle won, but the war rages on.



Medisti said:
That's one battle won, but the war rages on.

What win do you see?  I see only violation of property rights, and basic government overreach.  



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VAMatt said:
Medisti said:
That's one battle won, but the war rages on.

What win do you see?  I see only violation of property rights, and basic government overreach.  

It did not had to come to this if consumers acted more wisely when spending money,we sometimes just cant help ourselves. :p



Immersiveunreality said:
VAMatt said:

What win do you see?  I see only violation of property rights, and basic government overreach.  

It did not had to come to this if consumers acted more wisely when spending money,we sometimes just cant help ourselves. :p

The vast majority of people can help themselves, but choose to engage in trading of in-game stuff for fun and/or profit.  The same is true of loot boxes in general - what's the problem with gambling?  If you don't like it, don't do it.  



VAMatt said:
Immersiveunreality said:

It did not had to come to this if consumers acted more wisely when spending money,we sometimes just cant help ourselves. :p

The vast majority of people can help themselves, but choose to engage in trading of in-game stuff for fun and/or profit.  The same is true of loot boxes in general - what's the problem with gambling?  If you don't like it, don't do it.  

Yeah everything is a choice but still we cannot help ourselves and not buy those kind of games in the first place.

There's a big problem with gambling when it is not isolated on its own like in casino's on board /table games and slotmachines purely designed for it .

Gambling on gaming acts parasitic because that whole entertainment sector did grow up without it and the more it grows onto it the more its going to make our games look like more expensive mobile games designed to give you doses of fun when you pay and when you do not want to pay you will mostly get a feeling of unfulfillment .



Immersiveunreality said:
VAMatt said:

The vast majority of people can help themselves, but choose to engage in trading of in-game stuff for fun and/or profit.  The same is true of loot boxes in general - what's the problem with gambling?  If you don't like it, don't do it.  

Yeah everything is a choice but still we cannot help ourselves and not buy those kind of games in the first place.

There's a big problem with gambling when it is not isolated on its own like in casino's on board /table games and slotmachines purely designed for it .

Gambling on gaming acts parasitic because that whole entertainment sector did grow up without it and the more it grows onto it the more its going to make our games look like more expensive mobile games designed to give you doses of fun when you pay and when you do not want to pay you will mostly get a feeling of unfulfillment .

If you feel that way about those games, I encourage you not to purchase, or otherwise support them.  If someone else does enjoy those games, why should the law tell them that they're not allowed to enjoy them anymore?  



VAMatt said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Yeah everything is a choice but still we cannot help ourselves and not buy those kind of games in the first place.

There's a big problem with gambling when it is not isolated on its own like in casino's on board /table games and slotmachines purely designed for it .

Gambling on gaming acts parasitic because that whole entertainment sector did grow up without it and the more it grows onto it the more its going to make our games look like more expensive mobile games designed to give you doses of fun when you pay and when you do not want to pay you will mostly get a feeling of unfulfillment .

If you feel that way about those games, I encourage you not to purchase, or otherwise support them.  If someone else does enjoy those games, why should the law tell them that they're not allowed to enjoy them anymore?  

Because its firstly against the law to put gambling in childrens games and secondly morally wrong to expose them to moneyspending addictions at such a young age.

It ruins games so i don't really get why you are advocating for it and also its not like the genres that use the gambling are just going to dissapear, no they stay but without the gambling and with more fair play for that 60 bucks you payed.