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Nem said:

We don't "have to" tell each other. People vote on representatives and assemblies/senates legislate on policy to protect the population. This is as basic as getting an army. We are in countries, we are not in no-man's land. None of us is. Your problem is you seem to only he capable of thinking of yourself, rather than the society you are in. Being responsible is one thing, protecting population from external attacks are another. Companies do not have the population's best interests in mind. They merely wish to make money at any cost (they would drug people if they needed. Some have done that in one way or another. Gambling is one such drug, used in the psychic level.). The state needs to protect their populations from such entities just like they protect them from unemployment with subsidies or from external invasion by having an army. Life in society. It's so part of you, you even forget it's there.

If you have studied history at all, you'll know that nearly every major travesty perpetrated by man has been done in the name of government.  In turn, those governments generally claim they're doing it for the safety, security, or betterment of "their people".  Religious persecutions, ethnic cleansing, chemical weapons attacks against civilians, caging of humans simply for possessing marijuana, separating children from their parents and jailing them for crossing of borders, and a nearly endless list of other crap - all done "for protection", or some other bullshit.  

I'd say I'm the only one here that is actually looking out for other people.  The rest of you are cheerleading a government that is taking away freedom (admittedly, in a very small way, in this case).  They'll take a little more freedom next year, for some other stupid reason.  Then again and again after that.  How much trampling of rights is too much for you?



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VAMatt said:
Nem said:

We don't "have to" tell each other. People vote on representatives and assemblies/senates legislate on policy to protect the population. This is as basic as getting an army. We are in countries, we are not in no-man's land. None of us is. Your problem is you seem to only he capable of thinking of yourself, rather than the society you are in. Being responsible is one thing, protecting population from external attacks are another. Companies do not have the population's best interests in mind. They merely wish to make money at any cost (they would drug people if they needed. Some have done that in one way or another. Gambling is one such drug, used in the psychic level.). The state needs to protect their populations from such entities just like they protect them from unemployment with subsidies or from external invasion by having an army. Life in society. It's so part of you, you even forget it's there.

If you have studied history at all, you'll know that nearly every major travesty perpetrated by man has been done in the name of government.  In turn, those governments generally claim they're doing it for the safety, security, or betterment of "their people".  Religious persecutions, ethnic cleansing, chemical weapons attacks against civilians, caging of humans simply for possessing marijuana, separating children from their parents and jailing them for crossing of borders, and a nearly endless list of other crap - all done "for protection", or some other bullshit.  

I'd say I'm the only one here that is actually looking out for other people.  The rest of you are cheerleading a government that is taking away freedom (admittedly, in a very small way, in this case).  They'll take a little more freedom next year, for some other stupid reason.  Then again and again after that.  How much trampling of rights is too much for you?

I couldn't disagree more. Biggest travesties were committed in the name of religion.

Regardless you are not gonna convince me that the state isn't a thing, because it is and it is the society we have. You can pretend you are above it, but no one is. We are all part of it wether we like it or not, and the role of the government, the law Is to protect the population.

You are not looking out for people. You are defending throwing them to the lions. If companies had their way they would kill people for money. They need regulation. And this is regulation. They need to be kept in check.

Do you even realize you are defending Anarchy? No one is taking anyone's freedom away. You are the one voting people in. It's democracy.



Nem said:

I couldn't disagree more. Biggest travesties were committed in the name of religion.

Do you even realize you are defending Anarchy? 

In the name of religion, often.  By government (or fighting over control of government, or quasi-governmental groups), almost always.  

And, yes, I oppose nearly all government action, as government is a net-negative.  You can call me an anarchist if you want.  But, I refer to myself as a hardcore libertarian.   



VAMatt said:
Nem said:

I couldn't disagree more. Biggest travesties were committed in the name of religion.

Do you even realize you are defending Anarchy? 

In the name of religion, often.  By government (or fighting over control of government, or quasi-governmental groups), almost always.  

And, yes, I oppose nearly all government action, as government is a net-negative.  You can call me an anarchist if you want.  But, I refer to myself as a hardcore libertarian.   

Are you an ANTIFA member perhaps?

In my opinion peaceful anarchism is a dream that can only turn violent in reality, it hands the power the the ones that greed for it and we might turn back to scenes out of dark ages without a goverment.



VAMatt said:
Nem said:

I couldn't disagree more. Biggest travesties were committed in the name of religion.

Do you even realize you are defending Anarchy? 

In the name of religion, often.  By government (or fighting over control of government, or quasi-governmental groups), almost always.  

And, yes, I oppose nearly all government action, as government is a net-negative.  You can call me an anarchist if you want.  But, I refer to myself as a hardcore libertarian.   

I guess now we know.



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Thank goodness. Now if only the same kind of law gets passed everywhere else.



As a Dutchman I'm glad this is happening!

Rocket League is a prime example of the loot box problem and why the government should intervene: it's a game accessible to kids that contains straight-up gambling that is only legal for adults. Either Rocket League should be rated M or there shouldn't be loot boxes in an child-friendly game.

For M rated games I have less of an issue - if you a grown man it's your decision to gamble or not, and parents should watch out for their kids playing these games (granted there should be some public announcements about this issue because there are WAY too many parents who don't know about ratings).



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Go Netherlands, crush them filthy boxes!



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Conejo said:
As a Dutchman I'm glad this is happening!

Rocket League is a prime example of the loot box problem and why the government should intervene: it's a game accessible to kids that contains straight-up gambling that is only legal for adults. Either Rocket League should be rated M or there shouldn't be loot boxes in an child-friendly game.

For M rated games I have less of an issue - if you a grown man it's your decision to gamble or not, and parents should watch out for their kids playing these games (granted there should be some public announcements about this issue because there are WAY too many parents who don't know about ratings).

Isn't it pure cosmetic loot boxes? Who cares?

As Nintendo said, loot boxes concept is nothing new, just look at cards. Pokémon cards, baseball cards, magic gathering cards, ect. You never know what your gonna get buying them.

Hell, I'd be more upset in regards to the online card games like Pokémon, the WoW card game, elders Scrolls cardgame, ect. Those, you can be complete shit without good cards which you need to for the most part spend money to get at a reasonable at all rate. I would ban those things as gambling way before a cosmetic vehicle skin.