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DonFerrari said:
Azzanation said:

New IP is a sign of bringing new games. 

Getting good reviews is a different story. Seems like everyone is jumping on MS for lack of games yet they just released a brand new IP in 2018.

Seems like everyone turns a blind eye on games if there not reviewed well.

If State of Decay, Crackdown and Ori all get mediocre reviews people will still bitch and complain on the lack of games.

People jump on MS because releasing 1 or 3 games a year, new IP or not, well reviewed or not.... are a lot lower than the competition, so you tried to narrow a time frame of 3 months, talking only new IPs and ignoring critics to say MS is doing better than the others and people are at fault for being critic... mind if we pick any other random 3 months during the gen to see how many times you would be able to say the same?

I compare right now not whats at a different period of time. In 6 months games can get delayed or cancelled etc. Right now MS just released a brand new IP and we are acting as if theres no games to play haha.

Its like sitting in a movie threatre saying theres nothing to watch while you are watching a brand new release. 

I play games, i dont care what other companies do. Aslong as they keep me entertained. I only own 4 games on my Switch which i love. I don't need 100 games when those 4 get me through.



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Azzanation said:
Barkley said:

Right, I'm sure you've never discounted any PlayStation game that scored around 68 when having debates about games lineup.

No if a PlayStation game had a metascore of less than 70 you'd say it was a bad game without even playing it.

What are you talking about? Is this relevant?

Yes you're saying Sea of Thieves shouldn't be ignored because of it's poor review score.

"Seems like everyone turns a blind eye on games if there not reviewed well."

when I'm sure you've absolutely done that yourself in the past, but regardless, of course a game that reviews badly isn't going to be viewed with as much worth as a critically acclaimed title.

"If State of Decay, Crackdown and Ori all get mediocre reviews people will still bitch and complain on the lack of games."

The lack of good games yes.



Azzanation said:
Barkley said:

Right, I'm sure you've never discounted any PlayStation game that scored around 68 when having debates about games lineup.

No if a PlayStation game had a metascore of less than 70 you'd say it was a bad game without even playing it.

What are you talking about? Is this relevant?

Barkley insinuates that you are a hypocrite. The relevance is that your behavior suffocates any chance for a levelheaded discussion.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

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Azzanation said:
DonFerrari said:

People jump on MS because releasing 1 or 3 games a year, new IP or not, well reviewed or not.... are a lot lower than the competition, so you tried to narrow a time frame of 3 months, talking only new IPs and ignoring critics to say MS is doing better than the others and people are at fault for being critic... mind if we pick any other random 3 months during the gen to see how many times you would be able to say the same?

I compare right now not whats at a different period of time. In 6 months games can get delayed or cancelled etc. Right now MS just released a brand new IP and we are acting as if theres no games to play haha.

Its like sitting in a movie threatre saying theres nothing to watch while you are watching a brand new release. 

I play games, i dont care what other companies do. Aslong as they keep me entertained. I only own 4 games on my Switch which i love. I don't need 100 games when those 4 get me through.

Yes I'm sure that before SoT or that in 3 months your were totally complaining about the lack of new IPs from MS. You are just having the "will take the victory I can"



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

As an Xbone owner, exactly what promises has Papa Phil made me that I should be upset about? And as for talking, I’m simply of the opinion that someone can make big decisions and do his job as an executive, AND talk to the media and fans on social media. I mean... he’s not a developer, lol. I’m sure he has plenty of downtime in his daily routine. You wouldn’t enjoy someone at Sony opening up more about the industry and their personal thoughts on it, games they’re enjoying, sharing content, news, hinting at future stuff? What a bizarre stance to take. Not sure what your issue is here.

We have had Shu, Ahmad and some others on Sony talking on several different occasions so we do have they open about what they are doing.

Great that you aren't upset of all the promises of more 1st parties and no exclusivity deals... that he certainly upheld.

Shu is not nearly as active as he used to be. And I can’t think of anyone from Nintendo. My comment was simple and straight forward, there was no reason for you to spill console warz all over it. If you think the output and work of Sony and Nintendo are good, then that’s great. Some of the execs being more sociable with fans and honest in interviews won’t change a single thing about that.

I don’t remember Phil making any promises about 1st party, but he has made comments about it. And I understand they take time. I’m genuinely curious about the exclusive deal part, have a link to some promise made there? I remember him talking about not wanting to do Destiny type exclusive deals. And to my knowledge they haven’t in awhile... feel free to correct me. 

And either way, no, those wouldn’t upset me. There are things in life worth being upset about, the “promises” of a company exec on Twitter are not among them, sorry.



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When it comes to a more robust 1st party support, we´ll see if Phil can actually walk the walk when next gen comes.



LudicrousSpeed said:
DonFerrari said:

We have had Shu, Ahmad and some others on Sony talking on several different occasions so we do have they open about what they are doing.

Great that you aren't upset of all the promises of more 1st parties and no exclusivity deals... that he certainly upheld.

Shu is not nearly as active as he used to be. And I can’t think of anyone from Nintendo. My comment was simple and straight forward, there was no reason for you to spill console warz all over it. If you think the output and work of Sony and Nintendo are good, then that’s great. Some of the execs being more sociable with fans and honest in interviews won’t change a single thing about that.

I don’t remember Phil making any promises about 1st party, but he has made comments about it. And I understand they take time. I’m genuinely curious about the exclusive deal part, have a link to some promise made there? I remember him talking about not wanting to do Destiny type exclusive deals. And to my knowledge they haven’t in awhile... feel free to correct me. 

And either way, no, those wouldn’t upset me. There are things in life worth being upset about, the “promises” of a company exec on Twitter are not among them, sorry.

Yes Shu is talking less, see no problem on it. And I see "the problem is always the others", ok. Sorry but Phil can't really be put as an example of honest in interviews (we see a lot of incongruousness between what he says in interviews and his public speeches) 

You can certainly surf vgc to see the plethora of hypocritical comments he have made. And yes he have affirmed they were investing heavily on 1st party.

https://www.vg247.com/2017/06/13/xbox-boss-phil-spencer-says-hes-not-a-fan-of-marketing-deals-with-console-exclusive-content/

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-06-05-fifa-18-ditches-xbox-exclusive-legends-for-multiplatform-icons

https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/gaming/637967/Xbox-One-The-Division-DLC-content-Ubisoft-Destiny-PS4-Call-of-Duty-Microsoft

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/74920/20150807/call-duty-moving-xbox-one-ps4.htm

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-exec-doesnt-like-platform-exclusive-dlc-also-/1100-6454000/

Several cases of exclusive content on X1, even Phill recognizes his own hypocritical comments, but you don't.

Now about his promise on first party that seems you never heard before

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/phil-spencer-were-upping-our-investment-with-first-party-and-committed-to-innovate.1365511/ (April 2017)

https://www.windowscentral.com/spencer-says-microsoft-looking-invest-more-first-party-studios (Nov 2017)

https://www.dualshockers.com/phil-spencer-plans-fewer-xbox-one-third-party-exclusives-and-more-investment-on-first-party-in-the-future/ (July 2015)

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/12/xbox-boss-would-rather-invest-in-first-party-exclusives-than-street-fighter-v/ (Dec 2014)

https://www.vg247.com/2017/06/16/microsoft-continues-to-invest-in-first-party-games-but-phil-spencer-didnt-want-to-show-trailers-for-games-3-years-out/ (Jun 17)

https://www.gamezone.com/news/xbox-head-says-microsoft-investing-first-party-content/ (jan 18)

https://wccftech.com/spencer-investment-first-party-games/ (Apr 17)

https://attackofthefanboy.com/news/phil-spencer-flags-heavier-investment-in-first-party-games-over-third-party-exclusives-for-xbox-one/ (Aug 15)

 

Yes he probably never promissed more 1st party and also didn't had time since Dec 14 to do anything.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:

Yes Shu is talking less, see no problem on it. And I see "the problem is always the others", ok. Sorry but Phil can't really be put as an example of honest in interviews (we see a lot of incongruousness between what he says in interviews and his public speeches) 

I don't see a problem with it either. You're attaching too much emotion to this. I simply enjoy the way he talks honestly and openly and engages fans and it would be nice imho if Sony and Microsoft had important people who did it too. I don't know why you'd waste time and energy trying to twist that into a negative or use it to make digs against him or Xbox in general but hey, whatever floats your boat.

 

DonFerrari said:

You can certainly surf vgc to see the plethora of hypocritical comments he have made. And yes he have affirmed they were investing heavily on 1st party.

I just wanted to cut this quote out on its own to laugh my ass off at the idea of taking anything said on Chartz about Papa Phil or Xbox seriously. Xbox discussion here has been trash for years. Also, I already said I have seen him comment about first party. My question was when did he promise anything. Because it seems you're taking quotes from interviews and comments and turning them into promises. Again, why with the emotional attachment? bububu its a promise!!! It's bizarre to me. I own the platform, you don't, and you seem more betrayed and outraged by this supposed promise breaking than any Xbone owner I know.

 

DonFerrari said:

https://www.vg247.com/2017/06/13/xbox-boss-phil-spencer-says-hes-not-a-fan-of-marketing-deals-with-console-exclusive-content/

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-06-05-fifa-18-ditches-xbox-exclusive-legends-for-multiplatform-icons

https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/gaming/637967/Xbox-One-The-Division-DLC-content-Ubisoft-Destiny-PS4-Call-of-Duty-Microsoft

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/74920/20150807/call-duty-moving-xbox-one-ps4.htm

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-exec-doesnt-like-platform-exclusive-dlc-also-/1100-6454000/

Several cases of exclusive content on X1, even Phill recognizes his own hypocritical comments, but you don't.

You see, this is why "surfing Chartz for a plethora of comments" is a waste of time. He's talking about exclusive deals where you wall off pieces of content from other platforms. Like Destiny. Your first link talks about Tomb Raider. That's not the type of deal he was talking about. Another talks about Cuphead, that's a SFV type deal and not the one he was talking about. The rest talk about games with marketing deals made before Phil was promoted and become the XBoss.

Furthermore, it's not really being hypocritical if he acknowledges that the company has made the deals in the past but that he personally has always been on record as being against them. Once he makes that personal distinction, hypocrisy is no longer the case. Do you have any links about games with exclusive content made AFTER he took over? I am sure some probably exist, I simply can't think of them. And even if I knew of them, why would I be "upset" about it?

 

DonFerrari said:

Now about his promise on first party that seems you never heard before

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/phil-spencer-were-upping-our-investment-with-first-party-and-committed-to-innovate.1365511/ (April 2017)

https://www.windowscentral.com/spencer-says-microsoft-looking-invest-more-first-party-studios (Nov 2017)

https://www.dualshockers.com/phil-spencer-plans-fewer-xbox-one-third-party-exclusives-and-more-investment-on-first-party-in-the-future/ (July 2015)

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/12/xbox-boss-would-rather-invest-in-first-party-exclusives-than-street-fighter-v/ (Dec 2014)

https://www.vg247.com/2017/06/16/microsoft-continues-to-invest-in-first-party-games-but-phil-spencer-didnt-want-to-show-trailers-for-games-3-years-out/ (Jun 17)

https://www.gamezone.com/news/xbox-head-says-microsoft-investing-first-party-content/ (jan 18)

https://wccftech.com/spencer-investment-first-party-games/ (Apr 17)

https://attackofthefanboy.com/news/phil-spencer-flags-heavier-investment-in-first-party-games-over-third-party-exclusives-for-xbox-one/ (Aug 15)

 

Yes he probably never promissed more 1st party and also didn't had time since Dec 14 to do anything.

Well, you should probably read my replies better, because I didn't say I never heard or read comments from him about expanding 1st party. I just don't recall any promises being made. It's that word again, promise. You ever see Princess Bride? You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means. So yeah, thanks for all of these links about expanding their efforts, but it's all the stuff I've read already. I simply understand it takes time. It would be wisest for them to not even bother releasing any of that stuff this gen and holding it off for the next Xbox, unless they plan on a Breath of the Wild type release.

Now, it would bother me as a consumer if he made all these comments about expanding their own offerings and then didn't deliver, because I am a gamer. However, again, these things take time. And after what he has done rebounding the brand and with the Scorpio, I'm willing to give him time. Hope that helps.



LudicrousSpeed said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes Shu is talking less, see no problem on it. And I see "the problem is always the others", ok. Sorry but Phil can't really be put as an example of honest in interviews (we see a lot of incongruousness between what he says in interviews and his public speeches) 

I don't see a problem with it either. You're attaching too much emotion to this. I simply enjoy the way he talks honestly and openly and engages fans and it would be nice imho if Sony and Microsoft had important people who did it too. I don't know why you'd waste time and energy trying to twist that into a negative or use it to make digs against him or Xbox in general but hey, whatever floats your boat.

DonFerrari said:

You can certainly surf vgc to see the plethora of hypocritical comments he have made. And yes he have affirmed they were investing heavily on 1st party.

I just wanted to cut this quote out on its own to laugh my ass off at the idea of taking anything said on Chartz about Papa Phil or Xbox seriously. Xbox discussion here has been trash for years. Also, I already said I have seen him comment about first party. My question was when did he promise anything. Because it seems you're taking quotes from interviews and comments and turning them into promises. Again, why with the emotional attachment? bububu its a promise!!! It's bizarre to me. I own the platform, you don't, and you seem more betrayed and outraged by this supposed promise breaking than any Xbone owner I know.

 

DonFerrari said:

https://www.vg247.com/2017/06/13/xbox-boss-phil-spencer-says-hes-not-a-fan-of-marketing-deals-with-console-exclusive-content/

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-06-05-fifa-18-ditches-xbox-exclusive-legends-for-multiplatform-icons

https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/gaming/637967/Xbox-One-The-Division-DLC-content-Ubisoft-Destiny-PS4-Call-of-Duty-Microsoft

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/74920/20150807/call-duty-moving-xbox-one-ps4.htm

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-exec-doesnt-like-platform-exclusive-dlc-also-/1100-6454000/

Several cases of exclusive content on X1, even Phill recognizes his own hypocritical comments, but you don't.

You see, this is why "surfing Chartz for a plethora of comments" is a waste of time. He's talking about exclusive deals where you wall off pieces of content from other platforms. Like Destiny. Your first link talks about Tomb Raider. That's not the type of deal he was talking about. Another talks about Cuphead, that's a SFV type deal and not the one he was talking about. The rest talk about games with marketing deals made before Phil was promoted and become the XBoss.

Furthermore, it's not really being hypocritical if he acknowledges that the company has made the deals in the past but that he personally has always been on record as being against them. Once he makes that personal distinction, hypocrisy is no longer the case. Do you have any links about games with exclusive content made AFTER he took over? I am sure some probably exist, I simply can't think of them. And even if I knew of them, why would I be "upset" about it?

DonFerrari said:

Now about his promise on first party that seems you never heard before

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/phil-spencer-were-upping-our-investment-with-first-party-and-committed-to-innovate.1365511/ (April 2017)

https://www.windowscentral.com/spencer-says-microsoft-looking-invest-more-first-party-studios (Nov 2017)

https://www.dualshockers.com/phil-spencer-plans-fewer-xbox-one-third-party-exclusives-and-more-investment-on-first-party-in-the-future/ (July 2015)

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/12/xbox-boss-would-rather-invest-in-first-party-exclusives-than-street-fighter-v/ (Dec 2014)

https://www.vg247.com/2017/06/16/microsoft-continues-to-invest-in-first-party-games-but-phil-spencer-didnt-want-to-show-trailers-for-games-3-years-out/ (Jun 17)

https://www.gamezone.com/news/xbox-head-says-microsoft-investing-first-party-content/ (jan 18)

https://wccftech.com/spencer-investment-first-party-games/ (Apr 17)

https://attackofthefanboy.com/news/phil-spencer-flags-heavier-investment-in-first-party-games-over-third-party-exclusives-for-xbox-one/ (Aug 15)

 

Yes he probably never promissed more 1st party and also didn't had time since Dec 14 to do anything.

Well, you should probably read my replies better, because I didn't say I never heard or read comments from him about expanding 1st party. I just don't recall any promises being made. It's that word again, promise. You ever see Princess Bride? You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means. So yeah, thanks for all of these links about expanding their efforts, but it's all the stuff I've read already. I simply understand it takes time. It would be wisest for them to not even bother releasing any of that stuff this gen and holding it off for the next Xbox, unless they plan on a Breath of the Wild type release.

Now, it would bother me as a consumer if he made all these comments about expanding their own offerings and then didn't deliver, because I am a gamer. However, again, these things take time. And after what he has done rebounding the brand and with the Scorpio, I'm willing to give him time. Hope that helps.

So let me get it straight, you accuse others of console warmongering, but others are overly emotional about things? There are people in Sony and Nintendo that engage with public, journalists and the lot, they are doing less than before perhaps, but still do and a figure head when talking is talking in behalf of his company not purely from his personal thoughts, unless of course he is being unprofessional. And I prefer the person in charge to be professional, act professional, do their job and put great content.

I like your line of thought "those were made before him, so he crying now that others are doing isn't an issue", "those that happened when he was already there, were made before him", "if it have happened and you can prove I won't care"... so why bother?

And on the third you want to be literal so you can dismiss everything because he didn't say "I promise I'll release this game", yeah sure, whatever makes you happy. It would be wisest if they haven't been talking about increasing their 1st party for 4 years without anything to show out of it. Games take time to make, sure. But before they are released you would see studios being created, major flux of people joining, projects being started and rumored and then revealed or studios being bought, etc etc etc... we had none for 4 years beside MS and he saying "we are improving" and one of his executives last year saying they had no lack of exclusives "for the holidays" and completely ignoring what was being said.

It would bother you? Funny enough, they aren't delivering, you aren't bothered, and want to give them more time than a full generation for they to take any real and meaningful action. Talk about patience granted to them.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Azzanation said:

I compare right now not whats at a different period of time. In 6 months games can get delayed or cancelled etc. Right now MS just released a brand new IP and we are acting as if theres no games to play haha.

Its like sitting in a movie threatre saying theres nothing to watch while you are watching a brand new release. 

I play games, i dont care what other companies do. Aslong as they keep me entertained. I only own 4 games on my Switch which i love. I don't need 100 games when those 4 get me through.

Yes I'm sure that before SoT or that in 3 months your were totally complaining about the lack of new IPs from MS. You are just having the "will take the victory I can"

Are you talking about the past? I am talking about the present and they just released a new IP, and everyone is still bitching..

I own a Switch with a much smaller library than the Xbox yet I can still enjoy it. Maybe gamers need to stop comparing list size and start playing the games on there platforms. Don't like Xbox don't buy Xbox, its simple. No one is forcing anyone's hand, MS definitely isn't hence there efforts in the PC market. Same goes for any platforms. Right now I am playing my X1 more than my Switch until Nintendo releases something I like, I don't need to complain about it lacking games which many just love to do. Just to add I also play my PC more than any of my consoles and I really only play a few games on PC which has tons more games available.

E3 is coming and everyone is just judging now after a 1st party release? Wouldn't it be smart to wait until E3 which is where companies actually showcase there games? I mean that's a pretty smart thing to do and good on those waiting for E3. If they don't showcase anything gamers want than its time to complain to the forums.