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CrazyGamer2017 said:
RolStoppable said:

You specifically described your scenario as a dangerous part of town, i.e. incidents like robbery or stabbings have a realistic chance to occur during night time. On the other hand, marriages are made with no visible or known signs that rape is a realistic possibility, especially because marriage is usually a decision that is made after a high level of trust has been built. As such, the two scenarios are not equal at all, hence why your analogy falls flat on its face.

All the analogies you use in your most recent post fall into the same category as "dangerous part of town", so they aren't any good either.

NO, I'm telling YOU for the sake of my example that the part of town in question is dangerous. Me, the person that decides to walk there does not know it's dangerous, obviously. If I knew it was dangerous It would not be a mistake of my part, it would be pure stupidity, knowing of a danger and still going towards it. So my point is I walk there without knowing it's specifically dangerous. That's what I mean when i said I walk to a dangerous part of town.

I'm sorry but it's obvious I did not know it's a dangerous part of town, why would anyone go on purpose, alone and on foot towards a danger?

Why would anyone marry someone else if they know in advance he/she is a rapist?

Wait, so you think that the individual is at fault for doing something that they had no reasonable expectation would result in negative consequences? That doesn't even make sense.

Like if a plane crashed into someone's house (and they live nowhere near an airport or anything involving planes), would you go up to the victim and say "you are an idiot. Take responsibility for your mistake of buying a house in a totally safe neighborhood."?

Like, what even is this argument? People should take responsibility for their mistake of making entirely reasonable decisions?

No, just accept that there is no reason to blame the victim here and move on.



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CGI-Quality said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

We are discussing two different things. You are giving out warnings and moderations which is fair, I am not doing that nor do I think Crazy deserves a moderation, I am calling him out for being intellectually lazy and dishonest ( he says he's offended and then casually chats with Berzerk ). Ultimately I did not question your judgement as what you did was fair. And if I "added" fuel to the fire then I don't know how, because ultimately I am discussing what a user is saying in a user based forum. 

It was how you went about it. No need for name calling and references to age (in that context). Your disapproval of his handling of the discussion wasn’t a problem.

Well I did edit my last comment a little too late ... 



Our society is becoming very lustful, that's something I've personally observed. But I'm not going to chalk it all up to that. There's never one sole reason. I guess love isn't as genuine as it once were



Smart men don't get married.



sundin13 said:
CrazyGamer2017 said:

NO, I'm telling YOU for the sake of my example that the part of town in question is dangerous. Me, the person that decides to walk there does not know it's dangerous, obviously. If I knew it was dangerous It would not be a mistake of my part, it would be pure stupidity, knowing of a danger and still going towards it. So my point is I walk there without knowing it's specifically dangerous. That's what I mean when i said I walk to a dangerous part of town.

I'm sorry but it's obvious I did not know it's a dangerous part of town, why would anyone go on purpose, alone and on foot towards a danger?

Why would anyone marry someone else if they know in advance he/she is a rapist?

Wait, so you think that the individual is at fault for doing something that they had no reasonable expectation would result in negative consequences? That doesn't even make sense.

Like if a plane crashed into someone's house (and they live nowhere near an airport or anything involving planes), would you go up to the victim and say "you are an idiot. Take responsibility for your mistake of buying a house in a totally safe neighborhood."?

Like, what even is this argument? People should take responsibility for their mistake of making entirely reasonable decisions?

No, just accept that there is no reason to blame the victim here and move on.

Oh boy you guys don't make it easy on me do you? AGAIN for the millionth time, WHERE do I say that the victim must be blamed?

I said the victim needs to take responsibility for a mistake, not for the crime, you BLAME someone for the crime, not for a mistake.

If I may say something to all that have been arguing against me on this issue, how can I make you understand that I obviously understand that a victim of rape is NOT to be blamed for the crime (obviously) or even the mistake. That victim needs simply to take responsibility like we all do in whatever decisions we take in our lives.

Right now I take responsibility for standing up with my opinion on a sensitive topic. That means I am NOT responsible for people calling me names or this guy judging me on my age (really) but not even trying to bring up an opinion on this matter and calling me lazy in my arguments or trying to run away from it when I am CLEARLY debating this issue and not bailing out.

Some of you are "guilty" of little things of course, no big deal, but things like name calling or judging on age, or judging on words I did not say etc... but I DO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for debating this and the CONSEQUENCE of my responsibility is that I'm getting all these little attacks BECAUSE I CHOSE to debate a sensitive issue. See how responsibility works? If I had not debated this or kept my opinion to myself I wouldn't be here debating literally alone against a group of people intent on making me say what I did not say.

Do you realize the irony here? According to your arguments I should NOT take responsibility for my opinion, yet by debating with me, attacking me, name calling me for some of you, you are sending the message that I expressed a sensitive opinion and that I must take responsibility for it, which is EXACTLY the point I have been trying to make here.

So I DO take responsibility for my opinion. YET name callers are still guilty of name calling or age judging etc as their choice to name call me is not my "crime" it's theirs (Not literally a crime, I use the word crime again as an example to the main issue we discuss).... You are making me take responsibility while arguing that as simply giving my opinion I should not take responsibility of the consequences. The irony is powerful here.

Last edited by CrazyGamer2017 - on 07 April 2018

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Tagging this thread to keep an eye on it.

Just want to say that, while I might strongly disagree with some opinions in here, at the end of the day I'd prefer the community to dismantle those opinions rather than blocking said opinions outright, provided they aren't hurtful to anyone in particular. Like CGI said, some of these posts are getting out of hand...if you feel unable to continue the topic without being insulting, drop it.



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CrazyGamer2017 said:
sundin13 said:

Wait, so you think that the individual is at fault for doing something that they had no reasonable expectation would result in negative consequences? That doesn't even make sense.

Like if a plane crashed into someone's house (and they live nowhere near an airport or anything involving planes), would you go up to the victim and say "you are an idiot. Take responsibility for your mistake of buying a house in a totally safe neighborhood."?

Like, what even is this argument? People should take responsibility for their mistake of making entirely reasonable decisions?

No, just accept that there is no reason to blame the victim here and move on.

If I may say something to all that have been arguing against me on this issue, how can I make you understand that I obviously understand that a victim of rape is NOT to be blamed for the crime (obviously) or even the mistake. That victim needs simply to take responsibility like we all do in whatever decisions we take in our lives.

If they are not to be blamed for the mistake, then what is there to take responsibility for?



CrazyGamer2017 said:
sundin13 said:

Wait, so you think that the individual is at fault for doing something that they had no reasonable expectation would result in negative consequences? That doesn't even make sense.

Like if a plane crashed into someone's house (and they live nowhere near an airport or anything involving planes), would you go up to the victim and say "you are an idiot. Take responsibility for your mistake of buying a house in a totally safe neighborhood."?

Like, what even is this argument? People should take responsibility for their mistake of making entirely reasonable decisions?

No, just accept that there is no reason to blame the victim here and move on.

Oh boy you guys don't make it easy on me do you? AGAIN for the millionth time, WHERE do I say that the victim must be blamed?

I said the victim needs to take responsibility for a mistake, not for the crime, you BLAME someone for the crime, not for a mistake.

If I may say something to all that have been arguing against me on this issue, how can I make you understand that I obviously understand that a victim of rape is NOT to be blamed for the crime (obviously) or even the mistake. That victim needs simply to take responsibility like we all do in whatever decisions we take in our lives.

I'm not sure where you are pulling this weird semantic argument that the word "blame" only relates to crime, but that simply isn't how that word works.

Lets look up the word "blame" real quick:

"Assign responsibility for a fault or wrong"

Now what are you saying we should do again? Telling someone to take responsibility for a mistake? That is almost verbatim the definition of the word "blame".

But it isn't a crime, so it isn't relevant, right?

And again, you use this turn of phrase: "That victim needs simply to take responsibility like we all do in whatever decisions we take in our lives."

What does that mean? If I've asked you once, I've asked you 100 times. How does one take responsibility in this context? What does that mean?



VGPolyglot said:
CrazyGamer2017 said:

If I may say something to all that have been arguing against me on this issue, how can I make you understand that I obviously understand that a victim of rape is NOT to be blamed for the crime (obviously) or even the mistake. That victim needs simply to take responsibility like we all do in whatever decisions we take in our lives.

If they are not to be blamed for the mistake, then what is there to take responsibility for?

To themselves. It's by being critical to yourself that you progress in life.

And before someone misconstrue what I just said, I DO NOT mean blaming yourself for being raped, I meant take responsibility that you ended up marrying a person that turned out to be dangerous and that you now realize that you obviously did not know him well enough to marry him.

If you don't do that you can fall again for another rapist later on. Because if you don't take responsibility, why should you be careful of who you marry, in fact, marry someone you don't know and that you met 5 minutes ago, if something goes wrong, it's not your responsibility so you are not supposed to be careful of whom you marry because according to you guys it's not your responsibility to know who you marry.

See how not taking responsibility for your choices can even be dangerous? I honestly don't know how to make my point more clear, just as I don't know how to make you guys understand that I DO NOT approve of rape, in fact I consider it abhorrent. Yet I am willing to bet that some of you think that I am ok with rape or something, you got that idea stuck in your heads, judgement has been passed and nothing I can say will probably change your minds.

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CrazyGamer2017 said:
VGPolyglot said:

If they are not to be blamed for the mistake, then what is there to take responsibility for?

To themselves. It's by being critical to yourself that you progress in life.

And before someone misconstrue what I just said, I DO NOT mean blaming yourself for being raped, I meant take responsibility that you ended up marrying a person that turned out to be dangerous and that you now realize that you obviously did not know him well enough to marry him.

If you don't do that you can fall again for another rapist later on. Because if you don't take responsibility, why should you be careful of who you marry, in fact, marry someone you don't know and that you met 5 minutes ago, if something goes wrong, it's not your responsibility so you are not supposed to be careful of whom you marry because according to you guys it's not your responsibility to know who you marry.

See how not taking responsibility for your choices can even be dangerous? I honestly don't know how to make my point more clear, just as I don't know how to make you guys understand that I DO NOT approve of rape, in fact I consider it abhorrent. Yet I am willing to be that some of you think that I am ok with rape or something, you got that idea stuck in your heads, judgement has been passed and nothing I can say will probably change your minds.

That's not even what your original argument/post was though, that you should have known more about the person you were marrying better beforehand. Let's go back to your original post:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8771892

You see, your argument was not even that, it was that they should expect for their spouse to want to have sex with them, and that it's a non sequitur when you object to that person wanting to have sex with you, so essentially that they shouldn't complain when they're raped. You've had to shift and move around your argument in order to make it more acceptable.